The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Eric the Green]

(12-07-2019, 04:27 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(12-07-2019, 02:48 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(12-05-2019, 06:24 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(12-05-2019, 03:53 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(12-04-2019, 10:22 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: What? Absolute number no longer matters to the liberals anymore. What are the liberals going to do when Trump gets the majority of the vote in 2020, wins  the majority of the electoral college again, regains the majority of the House, strengthens the majority of the Senate and has the majority of the Supreme Court and the right to pick them too? Right now, I'd say that those unpleasant realities for liberals are more likely going to happen at this point. Are you going to support liberal revolts/riots and support liberal movements to secede from the Union at that point?

I might support a Calexit or other secession movements, but riots are not effective. Otherwise, we just keep trying to move the nation forward instead of the backward direction you expect. And I expect our side will win.

True, riots aren't effective with us and don't really have much of an impact on us at all these days.

I was thinking though, given the effectiveness of the Lichtman Keys, and one of them is domestic unrest, that if it happens before Nov.2020 that could turn a key against Trump. So if the blacks get riled again by another police shooting or two, or if some antifas manage to arouse a huge uprising, or just enough demonstrations about gun violence and climate change happen to raise the temperature enough, maybe that could be effective after all if it turns a Lichtman Key!

By the way I would still consider you far right, Classic Xer, even though you are not at today's looney extreme. Anyone who so passionately accepts the trickle-down philosophy that has been rejected everywhere else in the world outside Red America, is far right. Anyone opposed to a fair immigration system and fearful of tax money going to welfare, is extreme right. 

It was extreme right in 1964, with Barry Goldwater as the standard bearer. It was known as extreme right then. The problem is that not only is the USA a center-right country to begin with, relative to the rest of the world, it's right wing has gone off the scales and taken over the Republican Party increasingly since then, so that America has regressed instead of progressed since the sixties.

My crystal ball says this is going to change now. But the right-wing has erected formidable barriers to progress that will not easily or quickly be taken down. But taken down, they must be. Many reforms are on the agenda. 

I hope we can get a lot more immigrants in our country, despite the walls Trump and the Republicans are erecting; more latinos who will have lots of kids and vote Democratic for a while. And make you squirm and complain, and cause a few of your red states to leave our country through secession, leaving us with a secure hold on the USA.

A Litchman key would require a large scale coordinated effort and the massacre of thousands of people at one time to make a nation like ours move in either direction. Do you really care about the school children who were massacred or do you care more about adding to the Lichman key effect and moving towards the result you want? Yes, I have shown you signs of being extreme at times and I have shown you signs of uncaring as it pertains to you and your well being and the well being of those affiliated with the system that you obviously support. I have shown signs of being the opposite of what you would expect, what you believe would/should occur, what you believe should/would happen or be the result, how you think people would respond and react as well.

I hate to bust your bubble but I am stronger than you, more powerful than you, more confident than you, more capable than you, more courageous than you, more knowledgeable, more experienced and more accepted and more understood and more popular than you are too. Gee, I'm just one of the 60 some million die hard Americans who placed the liberals on ignore and showed up on election day in 2016 and voted for Trump. So, what side of the American iron curtain would most Americans prefer to be on these days. The Quasi Socialist side or the American side? What do you (the Quasi Socialist side) truly represent? I say Quasi Socialism, you can say/call it whatever you want and try to defend it and promote it. Me, I have no interest in your buyers or your believers either.

I don't think it takes such a massacre to turn the "domestic unrest" key. I'm not sure what it takes. I have stated here and elsewhere many times that gun massacres will continue to increase as long as meaningful gun control is not enacted, which it hasn't been. So it's not a matter of what I want; I want gun control and bans of semi-automatic weapons and an end to massacres, but obviously that's not going to happen this year, and so the question is whether a mass uprising even surpassing the march for our lives will arise from further massacres that would be enough to turn the Lichtman Key, or other uprisings against such things as police shootings, climate change and so on, which as long as Trump and the Republicans control our government will continue to get exponentially worse, and if this Key IS turned it could end the reign of Trump and the Republicans which would in fact be the first and most-necessary step toward ending these outrages. But I don't think riots will convince the convinced Republican voters such as yourself to change sides or make any change; it will be up to a few independent voters to make that change, seeing how fast the country is going downhill, and this means Lichtman Keys turning. 

I don't know if it will happen. It could happen, but I am not on the record predicting it to happen in 2020. So it will be no use for you to crow on November 4th 2020 that you were right and your side won instead of mine, because I have not made any such prediction that my side will win in 2020 to begin with.

I am the true American, because the true Americans now are the Quasi-Socialists and Greens and liberals of all stripes, while your side has betrayed everything this USA is supposed to represent at its core. If you are stronger than me, congratulations. The only issue is whether enough swing voters in those 3 normally-blue states in the upper mid-west come back to their senses and have "buyers" remorse of what they did to America in 2016. You are not one of those voters in one of those states, and there's nothing you can do about that.