Scientism

[Eric the Green]

(07-09-2019, 04:57 AM)Bill the Piper Wrote:

(07-08-2019, 04:38 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: It was implied early on by Goldwater's appeal to "morality" in his campaign. But the main thrust began in 1978 with the rise of Falwell's "moral majority" and Pat Robertson's TV show and cult, which allowed him to run for president. The moral majority helped elect Reagan, and he and his successors have used the religious right since then to cement their power. Now Trump is effectively advancing their agenda.

Except the fact that there is nothing moral about Trump.

Anyway, the divide between "scientific" Democrats and "religious" Republicans seems to be a 3T thing. Do you think it'll be gone by 1T? Science and religion do not have to be enemies.

It was a 3T thing, but the problem over climate change denial has gotten even worse in the 4T, and Trump's lack of personal morality, as you know, does not disturb the evangees in the least, just as long as they can get their reactionary judges appointed.

If the T4T theory holds, this culture war, as it's called, may be put on the back burner during the 1T.

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Quote:Academics are usually the best informed and most concerned people in our country, and are intellectual. So they inclined toward both aspects of the Lemon meme: its social concern and altruism, and its tendency toward scientism and physicalism. That is not true of all academics, however. Some may be Orange, and some may be Green. And the brainwashing consists mostly of just passing on what they know to their students.

Interesting. AFAIK you believe in magic. Most academics deny the existence of magic. Do you think that's because they are so well informed and honest, or because of less savoury motives? When an academic teaches that magic is make-believe, is he just "passing on what he knows to his students"?

He is passing on what he thinks he knows, sure. They know the facts of science and pass them on. Most of the scientific and academic community is still locked in physicalist views of the universe. People like Neil deGrasse Tyson. It's part of the Orange and Lemon memes, and sometimes it was seen in part in a few of the earlier Brown meme people from what you call rightly "the age of discovery." But it's a limited and false view, and some academics know this as well.

The conscious and the spiritual cannot be accounted for in physicalist, mechanical cause and effect terms. That's simply a denial of what consciousness is. It could be called magic, or miracles, and sometimes they happen. But consciousness and spirit is not limited to magic and miracles. Every thing we do is a miracle that physicalism can't explain. In the end, materialist, mechanistic explanations explain nothing, except how it is that western humans since 1700 can use some apparent physical observations to make machines that work. Some Greens can see this, and so did many writers and philosophers since the romantic and transcendentalist movements, and some early 20th century existentialists, modernists, depth psychologists, quantum physicists, etc. Proto-Greens rising, you could call people like Henry David Thoreau and Ralph Waldo Emerson.

"Every particular in nature, a leaf, a drop, a crystal, a moment of time is related to the whole, and partakes of the perfection of the whole."
--Ralph Waldo Emerson

Warm and fuzzy! And true!

Silver Droplets indeed!




"Nature always wears the colors of the spirit."
---Ralph Waldo Emerson

Mysticism is just an aspect of human knowledge, but most people are not sensitive or practiced enough in it to see it. If you disagree with it, it's to be expected today that many will, but you still can't deny that it exists, and that many call it the highest knowledge. It can't be swept under the carpet.