10-02-2019, 08:42 PM
(10-02-2019, 05:28 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(10-02-2019, 06:59 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:As I recall, Bill Clinton was impeached for lying under oath which is still largely viewed as being a crime in America. Funny how a highly intelligent, well educated liberal/ Democrat like Clinton was unable to comprehend/ understand/ accept that a sexual relationship usually, can and often ncludes other sexual activities than just sexual intercourse itself. As I recall, Bill Clinton was formally barred for breaking the law.(10-02-2019, 01:01 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(10-01-2019, 09:37 AM)David Horn Wrote: This is one area that polling seems to handle poorly. Impeachment is a political death sentence, so supporters (especially Trump supporters) are uniquely unwilling to agree to it ... until they are. That's the rub. The change of heart is unpredictable, and tied to emotional rather than intellectual evidence. Is a supporter shocked or sufficiently dismayed by some aspect of or action by POTUS to push him (less likely) or her (more likely) over the edge? Once moved, does that person simply withdraw from the arena or become an active antagonist? Impossible to know until it happens.
We're still in the early days. I suspect that the temperament in the Democratic Party makes impeachment unavoidable, but the aftermath is still unknown and, frankly, unknowable. Public opinion can be driven as much as it can drive others to action or inaction. In another month, we'll have a better feel for where this is going, if anywhere.
Well, I hope the Democrats have someone (a whistle blower) with something more to offer than hearsay for evidence. You'd think blue Americans would understand that they live in a country where it takes more than just hearsay or hatred or fear of someone to convict or legally impeach someone. The blues keep showing us glimpses of their future system of justice and Americans continue rejecting it or ignoring it in favor of sticking with their own. Now, I don't really care if you're strung up by a group of blues for something someone else may have said or thought about you for whatever reason. Heck, I don't care if groups of blues start slaughtering each other the same way for the same clueless/lawless reasons. Right now, I'd say public opinion/attitude on this matter is pretty much "same old liberal/PROGRESSIVE crap different day" at this point.
It goes beyond hearsay. At this point we still have a potential case for impeachment, and we are wise to remember the dictum "innocent unless proved guilty". An impeachment is not a criminal trial, as it can be done for things that might not be criminal (the sexcapades of Bill Clinton).
By the way -- I am satisfied with our system of justice, except that it might be a good idea to abandon the capricious death penalty in state and federal law. I might have concerns with technical matters of law enforcement and evidence-gathering, but such revolves around the quality of police work.
So the vast majority of Democrats despise Donald Trump for his despotic style of governing. Well, that is our right, and the President has given us much cause to loathe him. What he has done would be very wrong if one of ours did it.
It is your right to confuse us with the Jacobins, just as it is your right to say that the 2019 Detroit Tigers are a superb baseball team. (47-114). You are free to consider Donald Trump the greatest thing to ever happen in American politics. Freedom includes the right to be very, very wrong.
Yes, it is my right view/judge you (blues) the same way as I'd view/ judge a group like the Jacobins or Neo Nazies and so forth. I must say, the blues appear to be similar to groups like them in many ways. I think you would follow a Nazi or Bolshevik as long as he/she wasn't openly NAZI or Bolshevik and so on. You're pretty much like them now. You basically have a state run media system that in place with a wealthy deciding which news your going to hear. Did you know Biden and his son were involved in shady dealings with Ukrainians while Biden was VP? What do you think, should we string him and his kid up and give you their wealth without an investigation and trial? I think it's time for the so-called/ self proclaimed intellectuals to pull their heads out of their partisan blues asses and start thinking more in line with everyday Americans because the everyday Americans are going to determine the elections. Hint. The everyday American isn't exclusively a woman voter or a black voter or a LGBT voter or Hispanic voter or Liberal/Progressive voter. The everyday American voter could be any of them these days.
Bill Clinton didn't lie. He just fudged in saying whether or not he had sex, saying it depends on how you define it. You know, "it depends on what the definition of the word is, is." And what the (fuck, pardon the pun) did Bill's private sexual affair have anything to do with the presidency? What Trump has done is use his powers for his personal political and financial gain, and obstruct justice. Nixon was forced to resign over less. That is Nazi, and that is Bolshevik, and you red guys follow Nazis and Bolsheviks as though you were goosestepping at a communist party rally.
And if you believe these phony, debunked conspiracy theories about Biden and his son, then you have definitely been conned. Which is what you red right-wingers have been for years now. Totally conned and fooled, and willingly so. Biden's son just got a good job in Ukraine, probably because the company wanted to have some pull with the USA administration. But that's all that happened; Hunter Biden got a job. You capitalists should be proud of him. Biden asked Ukraine to fire a prosecutor for not investigating corruption, along with all the other main Western leaders.
You guys just can't seem to get anything straight. All you want is to defend your disgusting trickle-down self-reliance ideology and your racism. Gimme a break. And guess what, you put women, blacks, hispanics, LGBTQ folks, people under 35 and liberal/progressives together, and you've got 70% of the people. I know women are not going to vote 100% against Trump, but still that's a big constituency, and you red whites from the rural sticks and you suburban hicks feel threatened by these demographics, and that's why you vote for Trump so he can build his wall. You think you guys have had it with we blues; well, we have had just about enough of you reds too. And if we get gun control one of these days, and you rebel, you will have your guns confiscated and your asses put in jail or worse.