05-12-2016, 02:14 PM
The name is real, and Ken Ham really is a ham.
Ken Ham, the creationist behind the giant Noah’s Ark replica nearing completion in Kentucky, received some pointed questions on Twitter from those who have a problem with the central message in the biblical story.
The Noah tale, which is in the Genesis, involves a massive global flood that wipes out the entire human race save for eight people — and that doesn’t sit right with some(.)
(Basically, God is a murderer if you believe the story of the Great Flood).
Many responded to Ham as he sent out his tweets — with some mocking the ark and the very unbiblical way in which it’s being built(.)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b01a5ebde3fa04
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Or even incompetent to aid innocent people in inexcusable peril. Where was God when "Christian' clergy were separating newborns from their pagan parents in Mexico, baptizing them, and then killing them so that their souls would never be imperiled by their parents worshiping Quetzalcoatl? Where was God when Africans were being consigned to the Hell known as a slave ship? Where was God during the Inquisition and the Holocaust?
Is "God" at best a metaphor for physical law and human conscience? So learn mathematics and physics if you want to know how things really are and have a conscience -- then and only then can you commune with God.
...I find the Ark story absurd. Noah would have first had to circumnavigate the world to collect animals as geographically separate as the capybara pair and the Komodo dragons. Then he had to keep the Komodo dragon from killing the capybara He would have needed a huge freshwater aquarium for freshwater fish -- for which the technology did not exist. Did glass then exist? "Forty days and forty nights"? With the technology of early-modern times, that is the time that Columbus took to get from the Old World to the New World or the Mayflower to get from England to Massachusetts. The rain would have been a truly ferocious storm, one unsuitable for the survival of the well-designed clipper ships of the late 19th century. It would take at the least a submarine to get through that storm, ideally nuclear-powered. Then Noah had to deposit the animals where he found them -- pandas in China and jaguars in South America.
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During the Last Glacial Maximum, what is now the Persian Gulf was above sea level. Melt-waters from snowy peaks of modern-day Turkey and Iran drained through the Tigris and Euphrates rivers into a river that created a long oasis. It was a paradise for hunter-gatherers, quite possibly the foundation of the legendary Garden of Eden. Bright sunlight and a copious flow of water allowed some great crop yields. Imagine the Nile Valley, only about as cool as the American Great Basin.
This world would exist until the ice sheets melted, at which time the hunter-gatherer paradise was hit with a deluge of incredible proportion That messed up their delicate world badly But the sea level rose and inundated lowlands today now shallow waters including the Persian Gulf. Survivors could not return.
As is true with old stories they get bigger as they are re-told. We get Homer's retelling of the Illiad and the Odyssey, and not an objective account. Maybe there was a nasty one-eyed Cyclops, a person who had lost an eye in battle. As a rule, unwritten stories get bigger and better with time, whether the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Bhagavad-Gita, Ovid's Metamorphoses, or the Kalevala. (I wonder what stories some American First Peoples have. Hurry -- before those people are fully assimilated into Western culute. Write those stiries down if you have access to them -- please!)
Lost world and great Flood. Those would be remembered.
Ken Ham, the creationist behind the giant Noah’s Ark replica nearing completion in Kentucky, received some pointed questions on Twitter from those who have a problem with the central message in the biblical story.
The Noah tale, which is in the Genesis, involves a massive global flood that wipes out the entire human race save for eight people — and that doesn’t sit right with some(.)
(Basically, God is a murderer if you believe the story of the Great Flood).
Many responded to Ham as he sent out his tweets — with some mocking the ark and the very unbiblical way in which it’s being built(.)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b01a5ebde3fa04
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Originally Posted by Taramarie [url=http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/showthread.php?p=556520#post556520]Quote:That is just one of the many reasons i do not understand why people worship a god who sounds completely evil.
Or even incompetent to aid innocent people in inexcusable peril. Where was God when "Christian' clergy were separating newborns from their pagan parents in Mexico, baptizing them, and then killing them so that their souls would never be imperiled by their parents worshiping Quetzalcoatl? Where was God when Africans were being consigned to the Hell known as a slave ship? Where was God during the Inquisition and the Holocaust?
Is "God" at best a metaphor for physical law and human conscience? So learn mathematics and physics if you want to know how things really are and have a conscience -- then and only then can you commune with God.
...I find the Ark story absurd. Noah would have first had to circumnavigate the world to collect animals as geographically separate as the capybara pair and the Komodo dragons. Then he had to keep the Komodo dragon from killing the capybara He would have needed a huge freshwater aquarium for freshwater fish -- for which the technology did not exist. Did glass then exist? "Forty days and forty nights"? With the technology of early-modern times, that is the time that Columbus took to get from the Old World to the New World or the Mayflower to get from England to Massachusetts. The rain would have been a truly ferocious storm, one unsuitable for the survival of the well-designed clipper ships of the late 19th century. It would take at the least a submarine to get through that storm, ideally nuclear-powered. Then Noah had to deposit the animals where he found them -- pandas in China and jaguars in South America.
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During the Last Glacial Maximum, what is now the Persian Gulf was above sea level. Melt-waters from snowy peaks of modern-day Turkey and Iran drained through the Tigris and Euphrates rivers into a river that created a long oasis. It was a paradise for hunter-gatherers, quite possibly the foundation of the legendary Garden of Eden. Bright sunlight and a copious flow of water allowed some great crop yields. Imagine the Nile Valley, only about as cool as the American Great Basin.
This world would exist until the ice sheets melted, at which time the hunter-gatherer paradise was hit with a deluge of incredible proportion That messed up their delicate world badly But the sea level rose and inundated lowlands today now shallow waters including the Persian Gulf. Survivors could not return.
As is true with old stories they get bigger as they are re-told. We get Homer's retelling of the Illiad and the Odyssey, and not an objective account. Maybe there was a nasty one-eyed Cyclops, a person who had lost an eye in battle. As a rule, unwritten stories get bigger and better with time, whether the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Bhagavad-Gita, Ovid's Metamorphoses, or the Kalevala. (I wonder what stories some American First Peoples have. Hurry -- before those people are fully assimilated into Western culute. Write those stiries down if you have access to them -- please!)
Lost world and great Flood. Those would be remembered.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.