07-21-2020, 05:37 PM
(07-21-2020, 07:55 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:(07-21-2020, 07:41 AM)sbarrera Wrote: Are local cops really arresting feds? If you have a reference, Bob, please post it.
This one came from MSNBC. In Portland they have a video of unmarked federal agents 'arresting' and placing into an unmarked van a non violent man. The state attorney general has a warrant out for 10 John Does involved in the incident. Rachel Maddow interviewed the AG, who elaborated on the charges and reasons for filing them. If the feds cannot produce probable cause for arrest, it would seem there is a strong case.
Cops confronting not uniformed federal agents to put them under arrest? Not yet. Arrest warrants placed, yes. The state AG is asking a judge for a restraining order on the feds.
A lawyer group out to protect civil rights wielded the camera.
The following file shows the 'arrest' in question, and the beating of a veteran who simply wanted to start a conversation.
Technically speaking, an unlawful arrest is a kidnapping. A mistaken arrest is one thing, and it usually gets settled in the courts.
Probable cause is essential to an arrest, and this includes flagrante delicto (caught in the act) and arrests under suspicious circumstances (such as speeding away from the scene of a crime). An arrest warrant is probable cause. Mistakes can be made in warrants and in arrests (wrong person arrested).
Can the States interfere in an unwarranted arrest by federal officials? Federal law enforcement is rightly about federal activities and federal offenses. People exercising their Constitutional rights are not to face federal harassment for such, and the States well know what the Constitution says. Only rarely have the States intervened against federal abuse of Constitutional rights, but that does not say that any President can get away with such.
Trump wants a secret police to make life difficult for dissidents of any kind. That a State like Oregon can get in the way is a fair warning.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.
