Gag order on the EPA

[Odin]

(01-25-2017, 04:14 PM)Galen Wrote:

(01-25-2017, 08:12 AM)Odin Wrote:

(01-25-2017, 03:29 AM)Galen Wrote:

(01-25-2017, 01:32 AM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(01-24-2017, 11:31 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: I am a so called "Luke Warmer" heavy emphasis on the Luke.

As such, I can't stand the cabal who some term "The Hockey Team" (a pejorative reference to the now famous or infamous "Hockey Stick" depicting a seeming step function in warming but later determined to be mostly due to the use of "tremometers" that are actually better hygrometers). James Hanson, Michael Mann, et al ... a bunch of jokes.

Nonetheless, I am not in favor of the extreme turn being taken by the Trump crew.

W would not have approved.

There is a middle path here people.

Climate models - as opposed to empirical research on historical climate behavior - continue to show hockey sticks starting at whatever the current year is, and continue to be shown to be wrong the next year.

Which is a sure sign that they don't know anything because the models are demonstrably wrong if this keeps happening.  This suggests that the real agenda is to scare people into giving the government power and money.  This is a very old story.

This is called a conspiracy theory.

As I look back over geological time scales at the carbon dioxide levels and temperature I discover something very interesting.  First is that carbon dioxide levels have been much higher than they are now for much of the last 600 million years. Second the earth's average temperature has varied over that time from 10 to 25 degrees Celsius.

Unless the paleontologists are just making shit up then I am forced to conclude that carbon dioxide levels are not going to turn the earth into Venus because that never happened with much higher levels in the distant past.  This is exactly what I would expect from a system that has been stable for geological time scales.  If there was a positive feedback mechanism where carbon dioxide then it should have been triggered when carbon dioxide levels were greater than 3000 ppm.  Since we are here this clearly did not happen.

Nobody had said that the Earth risks becoming Venus, the absolute worst case scenario is driving CO2 levels high enough to shift the Earth back into a hot-house climate with no ice caps. If you don't see how devastating that would be to human civilization and the biosphere (because it will be happening much faster than it ever happened naturally) there is no point trying to reason with you.