02-04-2017, 12:25 PM
(02-04-2017, 12:09 PM)freivolk Wrote:(02-04-2017, 12:04 PM)SomeGuy Wrote:(02-04-2017, 12:01 PM)freivolk Wrote:(02-04-2017, 11:44 AM)SomeGuy Wrote:(02-04-2017, 10:25 AM)freivolk Wrote: 1806 is just the formalisation of the end of the HRE. After the french victory in both coalition wars it was obvious, that the structure the empire was build upon was destroyed. Instead hundereds of imperial principalities we have now roughly 3 dotzend states. We have also keep in mind, that continental Europe is dominated by France, which enforce his vision of the 1T on the german states. This napoleonic 1T was cut short by the War of the Fifth Coaltion, which leaded to the need of a new political structure for Europe after the collapse of the french dominance. 1815 is therefore not the beginning of a german 1T, it is the beginning of the continental 2T, because the prophets which fought in the Wars of 1813/15 never really acccepts the restauratives insti´tution of 1815.
It's certainly an interesting argument, one I don't necessarily disagree with (at least in broad strokes). Where are you trying to date the 4T/1T transition in "Germany" then, the Peace of Basel?
Basel is definitly part of the transition, but I would tend more to Campo Fornio.
For Germany? Are you lumping Austria and Germany together, then?
I think Austria and Germany can be seperatet at this time. Austria is to integral for the HRE at this time. A clear seperation doesn´t happend before 1866 as part of the next crisis.
I am not sure I agree. Prussia and Austria were fairly distinct at this time, and the Austrian Empire extended well outside the HRE, which was basically a legal fiction at this time, anyways.
But let's say you're right, why was the saeculum truncated in the 19th century, in Europe as well as the US.