02-04-2017, 01:32 PM
(02-04-2017, 12:25 PM)SomeGuy Wrote:(02-04-2017, 12:09 PM)freivolk Wrote:(02-04-2017, 12:04 PM)SomeGuy Wrote:(02-04-2017, 12:01 PM)freivolk Wrote:(02-04-2017, 11:44 AM)SomeGuy Wrote: It's certainly an interesting argument, one I don't necessarily disagree with (at least in broad strokes). Where are you trying to date the 4T/1T transition in "Germany" then, the Peace of Basel?
Basel is definitly part of the transition, but I would tend more to Campo Fornio.
For Germany? Are you lumping Austria and Germany together, then?
I think Austria and Germany can be seperatet at this time. Austria is to integral for the HRE at this time. A clear seperation doesn´t happend before 1866 as part of the next crisis.
I am not sure I agree. Prussia and Austria were fairly distinct at this time, and the Austrian Empire extended well outside the HRE, which was basically a legal fiction at this time, anyways.
But let's say you're right, why was the saeculum truncated in the 19th century, in Europe as well as the US.
The early-modern saeculum tended to drag along at 100+ years. The Revolution (symbolized by the discovery of Uranus in 1781) speeded up the pace of change from the glacial progress of medieval and renaissance times, in which only the elite had any part in politics, and sons followed the careers of their fathers. The population began to increase and life-spans lengthened as modern times dawned in the Revolution (industrial, political, romantic; all-Western). The new 82-83 year cycle kicks in with the Revolution and interrupts the usual medieval pace of the early turnings of the civil war saeculum, or makes them into hybrids. Same with the generations.