Which founding father are you most like?

[pbrower2a]

(07-20-2017, 11:44 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(04-28-2017, 10:29 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: It's not a regeneracy if a majority rejects it. The rise of Donald Trump would be a regeneracy if we had Americans giving more than reigned acceptance. "Wait 'til 2018" and "Wait 'til 2020" are not expressions of a Regeneracy. The next President (unless Mike Pence through the death, resignation, or disability of Trump) will bring about the Regeneracy. A Regeneracy might exist even if it is evil, as with Hitler.

Boomers are not the majority on this Forum.  Does the AARP have Forums?


As a True Believer, Viktor Ippolitovich Komarovsky, you aren't the sort that Adaptive/Artist/New Silent will like.

"I am white" is the least-valid manifestation of identity politics in America. There are plenty of white losers, and voting for Donald Trump shows them as such. Middle-class blacks generally seek to elevate poor blacks, and middle-class Hispanics seek to elevate poor Hispanics.  Middle-class white people generally do little for poor whites.

Let's all work to end oppression of any kind, including the genuine oppression (some of it self-inflicted) of poor white people whom our system has served badly. Some of the poorest communities in America are lily-white. Middle-class blacks, Hispanics, and Asians are not oppressed people in America.

1.  2018 is an off year election.  The hopes for the Democratic party is not good unless the President seriously fucks up.  I don't foresee that happening so I expect the GOP to hold the house and pick up a few seats in the Senate.  Who is on the out is the anti-Trump GOPers.

2006 was also an off-year election, and it signaled at the least an abortive Regeneracy that would culminate in the first two years of the Obama Administration. In six months, Donald Trump has f---ed up more than Dubya did in six years I don't see him convincing Americans that he has an appropriate answer to America's problems. Just look at the recent disapproval numbers for President Trump in New Hampshire (his barest loss),  Michigan, and Pennsylvania (two of his barest wins. In those states the President's disapproval ratings are 60, 61, and 62 percent. Such indicates a basic loss of trust by his marginal voters and a failure to win support among those who barely chose to not vote for him. If he were half-way effective, his approval ratings would be near 60. In two states that he won by high single digits (Iowa and Texas) his disapproval ratings are in the low 50s.

An effective President who just barely won election is usually slowly losing support from a honeymoon advantage and has consolidated solid support even in some states that he lost. At that, Donald Trump is not John F. Kennedy.


Disapproval ratings:




navy under 40
blue 40-43
light blue 44-47
white 48 or 49
pink 50-54
red 55-59
maroon 60 or higher

* favorability

...2. not an interesting or controversial response.

Quote:3.  I think you'll be surprised.  There are strong trends for them to be headed toward fiscal responsibility and social conservatism.  The Zeds are not called "The most conservative generation in 70 years" for nothing.  As for the generation itself liking me, I don't really care, and I doubt you have the capacity to accurately assess what they will or will not care for.

Young Artist generations are conformist -- not conservative.  They will conform to the political and economic realities of the time in which they live, and will follow along with the endorsement of successes and rejections of failure. As has happened in some nations in their Crises, one 'wave of the future' can lose all credibility very fast.

Besides, the meaning of 'conservatism' could change dramatically. The black, Asian, and Hispanic middle classes seem very conservative in cultural values, and their ways (if successful) could redefine what constitutes conservatism in America.  

Quote:4.  Incorrect.  If we are to have a politics based on identity, and an identity based upon race no less, then having a white identity is as valid as having a black one or latino one.  (Hispanic is a linguistic designation not a racial one.)  As I said, we must determine if we have idenity politics for all or for none.  If it is the former, then the likes of Jared Taylor, Richard Spencer and David Duke have a right to a seat at the table.  If it is for no one, then Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton need to shut the hell up.  (Which they should do anyway.)

For the record I'm of the belief that there shouldn't be identity politics for anyone. 

It is the Right that has established the polarization of American political life on 'cultural' identity.

Quote:5.  I would argue that there aren't any oppressed groups in the US at all.  If we took every black out of the country and gave them their own space with all their wealth intact.  And remember this is just 13% or so of the population, then that new country would have the 20th largest economy in the world and a per capita GDP on par with Italy (which is hardly a third world shit hole).  In short the richest blacks in the world live in the US.

I'm willing to gamble that the same would be true of Latinos as well, though they are a larger percentage of the population and generally have more capital than blacks do.

I consider white people in the Mountain South generally about as oppressed as blacks were in big Northern cities in the 1960s. Statistically one is better off as 'black' in Maryland  than being 'white' in West Virginia. But northern blacks resisted oppression and often escaped it through genuine achievement; statistically, white people in the Mountain South have been hurting themselves with under-education and opiate use.