Don't think I didn't notice you aren't answering any of my questions to you. However, unlike you Eric, I will address the most important points of yours. This of course necessitates me separating matters of some importance from drivel but I think I can manage. I don't feel like writing out the word "ignoramus" constantly so I'm shorting your name permanently to "EtI".
Not really. People do change over time, particularly when what they've been doing hasn't been working. Marxism-Leninism wasn't working, indeed the material conditions for a Marxist-Leninist solution to our era have already passed away. Barring massive industrialization under Trump (which is unlikely even under the most compliant of congresses) they won't return for several decades, perhaps the next R/E turning.
Having said that, I was never "someone like Odin". Even when I was still on the Left EtI, Odin was perhaps the person on it I argued with most on terms of ideology. In fact I have regularly called him "snowflake" since at least 2012. Which predates my knowledge of its appearance during GamerGate...though the meme of "Speshul Snowflakes" predates that by decades and is a known late Xer meme, usually used in derision of younger Millie siblings.
Conversely, even when I was on the left I got on well with Galen and have had many intelligent debates with him over the years. I beleive that in this particular case what is happening is the following:
My disagreements while on the left or the right with Odin have always stemmed from him wanting to establish a consensus. Both times because I thought his consensus was "fucking retarded". In fact the difference between Commie Kinser and Classical Liberal Kinser is Classical Liberal Kinser thinks that consensus is not only "fucking retarded" like Commie Kinser did, but "dangerous and also fucking retarded".
Meanwhile with Galen our debates, conversations and etc through the years have always been on the plane of ideology. It is the regulator at work--I just happen to be conscious of it whereas most others are not.
Actually it does not. And it isn't my handle anyway which is Kinser79. I believe you are referring to my forum title. Others have like super poster and noob and what not up there. I didn't like the defalt ones, so I made my own.
It was a running thing with Commie Kinser for Odin to constantly call him "An unreformed Stalinist". He meant it as an insult, at the time, I took it as a complement, and honestly still would today too. Seriously he called me a jack-ass on an other thread and I responded with a thank you.
(I'm not telling you why I do that, but if you can't figure out why I do on your own then you're not paying attention, and I know my pay roll taxes go to social security so what are you doing with my money if you can't afford to pay attention???? Huh? But I digress.)
I was originally going to make it "Unreformed Stalinst" but since I'm no longer a "Stalinist" (Odin's term for a non-revisionist Marxist-Leninist) it really wouldn't make sense. So I decided to just let people decide for themselves what I am. Why should I have to announce my ideology to anyone?
Materialism is non-negotiable. On the old forum we had an argument really that lasted some 25 pages or so--can't remember not that important where I explained why materialism is great and idealism is fucking retarded and dangerous.
Suffice it to say I came to the conclusion that if a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it it still makes a sound. And I'm not going to debate that shit again so if you want to derail the thread I'll straight up PM Dan to have the thread split and those irrelevancies thrown into the trash can where they belong.
I explained above what my forum title means. I'm not going to explain to you for the fifth time why nihilism is retarded and dangerous. I concluded years ago you'd never understand why it is and honestly I have better things to do with my time--like picking my nose or taking a shit.
I can't rebel against you EtI because you're in no position of authority for me to rebel against.
And I don't necessarily hate typical prophets, just stupid ones--I hate stupid people in general be they artists, prophets, nomads or civics. Do I hate them because of their archetype? No. I hate them because I hate stupidity and stupidity is unfortunately contagious. Its kinda like hating and avoiding someone with the plague.
Yeah, that's going to happen whether I love prophets or hate them. It is something beyond my control. My only hope is that they don't turn into the little shits that the Boomers did, and that they stay off my lawn.
Assuming the regulator is valid (as it seems to be, it's held for 8 saecula so far) I might actually like this crop as they'll be open to discussing ideas and not be so worried about cultural bullshit. Also I'm kinda hoping that they won't become interested in hokey magic nonsense. But that last one I probably won't be so fortunate with.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. I'm not putting any future prophets in the maternity wards until after we've had the Crisis Climax. Just because it is scheduled for approximately 2025 doesn't mean it will arrive on time--shit man the GC and Regeneracy were late (and according to some the wrong person). Remember it is history that drives the generation and if I'm right and the 4T lasts till about 2028ish that actually gives me 10 years of only having to deal with a dying breed plus 15 years before the new ones will be big enough to be annoying beyond being on my lawn.
And no Obama wasn't the GC either. Wrong generation, though he could have been if he acted more like "Tyrone from down the block" and less like Steve Urkle. Back in 2008 we all voted for him cause we expected him to be a "brotha" and be to Congress and etc "Now listen up y'all dis tha way thangs gonna be...." Seriously in 09 he could have told the bloods and crips to pick up trash in the hood and they'd probably done it. Instead we got someone who was basically Eisenhower with a tan--retired at 40. Indeed he only got re-elected because the GOP ran an incredibly weak candidate against him, McCain was a stronger candidate but he picked a moron for VP.
You keep using that word: rebel. I'm not sure you know what it means.
In my case there is only one prophet in a position of authority over me, and I like him. I like him so much I call him Daddy. A title that I don't even use with my on sperm donor. Shit man, I don't even call my boyfriend that and we've been together for years. But that's probably because he calls me daddy--but this is bordering on TMFI for the board.
So since I now lack any prophets to rebel against I can't rebel. Kinda hard to overthrow the king when there ain't no kings. The ones coming after your generation are unlikely to be like the Boomers. If anything they are likely to be most like the Missionaries since Christianity is for the most part dead, and "New Age" is mostly just silly. I expect the 2T should I be unfortunate enough to see it, will be all about Rights and Duties, Authority and Liberty, and such like. I probably won't mind that so much assuming I'm still young enough to give a rats ass.
Furthermore none of them will be in any position of authority until after I'm too old to give a shit anyway. So They are more likely to rebel against me than vice versa.
Unless you've not noticed I'm not a civic. I might be a civically minded nomad, but at core I'm still a nomad. So unless your parents were Losts....
EtI Wrote:It's kind of interesting that you have shifted ideologically from someone like Odin all the way to Galen,
Not really. People do change over time, particularly when what they've been doing hasn't been working. Marxism-Leninism wasn't working, indeed the material conditions for a Marxist-Leninist solution to our era have already passed away. Barring massive industrialization under Trump (which is unlikely even under the most compliant of congresses) they won't return for several decades, perhaps the next R/E turning.
Having said that, I was never "someone like Odin". Even when I was still on the Left EtI, Odin was perhaps the person on it I argued with most on terms of ideology. In fact I have regularly called him "snowflake" since at least 2012. Which predates my knowledge of its appearance during GamerGate...though the meme of "Speshul Snowflakes" predates that by decades and is a known late Xer meme, usually used in derision of younger Millie siblings.
Conversely, even when I was on the left I got on well with Galen and have had many intelligent debates with him over the years. I beleive that in this particular case what is happening is the following:
self Wrote:Atonement Saeculum
Adaptive: Comes of age in an emerging ideological consensus, feels free to start questioning social norms and accepted spiritual truths.
Idealist: Rebels against the dominant cultural consensus of society laid down in the previous Atonement 4T.
Nomad: Is annoyed by the Prophets' cultural debates and focuses on ideological issues.
Civic: Establishes a new cultural consensus.
My disagreements while on the left or the right with Odin have always stemmed from him wanting to establish a consensus. Both times because I thought his consensus was "fucking retarded". In fact the difference between Commie Kinser and Classical Liberal Kinser is Classical Liberal Kinser thinks that consensus is not only "fucking retarded" like Commie Kinser did, but "dangerous and also fucking retarded".
Meanwhile with Galen our debates, conversations and etc through the years have always been on the plane of ideology. It is the regulator at work--I just happen to be conscious of it whereas most others are not.
EtI Wrote:and that your handle claims to be beyond ideology
Actually it does not. And it isn't my handle anyway which is Kinser79. I believe you are referring to my forum title. Others have like super poster and noob and what not up there. I didn't like the defalt ones, so I made my own.
It was a running thing with Commie Kinser for Odin to constantly call him "An unreformed Stalinist". He meant it as an insult, at the time, I took it as a complement, and honestly still would today too. Seriously he called me a jack-ass on an other thread and I responded with a thank you.
(I'm not telling you why I do that, but if you can't figure out why I do on your own then you're not paying attention, and I know my pay roll taxes go to social security so what are you doing with my money if you can't afford to pay attention???? Huh? But I digress.)
I was originally going to make it "Unreformed Stalinst" but since I'm no longer a "Stalinist" (Odin's term for a non-revisionist Marxist-Leninist) it really wouldn't make sense. So I decided to just let people decide for themselves what I am. Why should I have to announce my ideology to anyone?
EtI Wrote:So, why not shift away from materialism too?
Materialism is non-negotiable. On the old forum we had an argument really that lasted some 25 pages or so--can't remember not that important where I explained why materialism is great and idealism is fucking retarded and dangerous.
Suffice it to say I came to the conclusion that if a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it it still makes a sound. And I'm not going to debate that shit again so if you want to derail the thread I'll straight up PM Dan to have the thread split and those irrelevancies thrown into the trash can where they belong.
EtI[/quote Wrote:If you can free yourself from ideologies and shift around, and claim to be "Unreformed <Insert Ideology Here>," why be afraid of "nihilism" then, as you were?
I explained above what my forum title means. I'm not going to explain to you for the fifth time why nihilism is retarded and dangerous. I concluded years ago you'd never understand why it is and honestly I have better things to do with my time--like picking my nose or taking a shit.
EtI Wrote:You prefer to rebel against and hate typical prophets like me,
I can't rebel against you EtI because you're in no position of authority for me to rebel against.
And I don't necessarily hate typical prophets, just stupid ones--I hate stupid people in general be they artists, prophets, nomads or civics. Do I hate them because of their archetype? No. I hate them because I hate stupidity and stupidity is unfortunately contagious. Its kinda like hating and avoiding someone with the plague.
EtI Wrote:but you know perfectly well from Strauss and Howe that prophets will come around again anyway
Yeah, that's going to happen whether I love prophets or hate them. It is something beyond my control. My only hope is that they don't turn into the little shits that the Boomers did, and that they stay off my lawn.
Assuming the regulator is valid (as it seems to be, it's held for 8 saecula so far) I might actually like this crop as they'll be open to discussing ideas and not be so worried about cultural bullshit. Also I'm kinda hoping that they won't become interested in hokey magic nonsense. But that last one I probably won't be so fortunate with.
EtI[/quote Wrote:and in fact are due to start being born again only 8 years from now!
I wouldn't be so sure about that. I'm not putting any future prophets in the maternity wards until after we've had the Crisis Climax. Just because it is scheduled for approximately 2025 doesn't mean it will arrive on time--shit man the GC and Regeneracy were late (and according to some the wrong person). Remember it is history that drives the generation and if I'm right and the 4T lasts till about 2028ish that actually gives me 10 years of only having to deal with a dying breed plus 15 years before the new ones will be big enough to be annoying beyond being on my lawn.
And no Obama wasn't the GC either. Wrong generation, though he could have been if he acted more like "Tyrone from down the block" and less like Steve Urkle. Back in 2008 we all voted for him cause we expected him to be a "brotha" and be to Congress and etc "Now listen up y'all dis tha way thangs gonna be...." Seriously in 09 he could have told the bloods and crips to pick up trash in the hood and they'd probably done it. Instead we got someone who was basically Eisenhower with a tan--retired at 40. Indeed he only got re-elected because the GOP ran an incredibly weak candidate against him, McCain was a stronger candidate but he picked a moron for VP.
EtI Wrote:So it's just as foolish to rebel against prophets
You keep using that word: rebel. I'm not sure you know what it means.
In my case there is only one prophet in a position of authority over me, and I like him. I like him so much I call him Daddy. A title that I don't even use with my on sperm donor. Shit man, I don't even call my boyfriend that and we've been together for years. But that's probably because he calls me daddy--but this is bordering on TMFI for the board.
So since I now lack any prophets to rebel against I can't rebel. Kinda hard to overthrow the king when there ain't no kings. The ones coming after your generation are unlikely to be like the Boomers. If anything they are likely to be most like the Missionaries since Christianity is for the most part dead, and "New Age" is mostly just silly. I expect the 2T should I be unfortunate enough to see it, will be all about Rights and Duties, Authority and Liberty, and such like. I probably won't mind that so much assuming I'm still young enough to give a rats ass.
Furthermore none of them will be in any position of authority until after I'm too old to give a shit anyway. So They are more likely to rebel against me than vice versa.
EtI Wrote:as it was for me to rebel against my civic parents, only to see you guys come around again anyway.
Unless you've not noticed I'm not a civic. I might be a civically minded nomad, but at core I'm still a nomad. So unless your parents were Losts....
It really is all mathematics.
Turn on to Daddy, Tune in to Nationalism, Drop out ofUN/NATO/WTO/TPP/NAFTA/CAFTA Globalism.
Turn on to Daddy, Tune in to Nationalism, Drop out of