Wheels within wheels.

[Kinser79]

(03-12-2017, 10:31 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(03-12-2017, 05:31 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: EtI, we never were able to have a discussion on this or any other issue.  I dismiss your view as quickly as you do mine simply because you reject all forms of materialism.  Anyone who fails to recognize the obvious truth that reality exists outside the minds of men is too intellectually crippled to have a conversation with--much less an intelligent conversation.  (Hence why I call you an ignoramus.  Incidentally the insult is even sweeter because it is true.)  

Being on your ignore list has never bothered me.  In fact I'm rather glad to be on it  I have you on conceptual ignore btw--the ignore feature seems to highlight the material I wish to ignore in my case for some reason.  I only ever read anything you post unless it happens to strike me as particularly interesting (usually because someone else has quoted you for some reason).

Even a five year old understands that a rock is real not because he sees it, or because he imagines it is there but because it actually is there and exists outside of himself, and would exist had he existed or not.

That is the first key to wisdom, without that, all other doors are closed further wisdom.

That said I hope you enjoy your being in a dark room and looking for a black cat that isn't there.  I'll be using my flashlight to find the cat.

As to Mike's points, he is quibbling over minor details as is often the case with him.  The difference between a chef and a chemist I suspect.

You use the cat analogy; so did Schroedinger.

Typically, those who knock idealism don't understand it. It isn't solipcism, because it posits that subjectivity/consciousness exists beyond that of any individual. If I am one with all rocks, I can't very well deny their existence. I just understand that it isn't material; it's spiritual. It's just a preference for how to describe things.

As usual you are wrong. I understand idealism just fine. Materialism and idealism are NOT subject to debate in this thread. If you want to debate them yet again I suggest you go and make your own thread.