The Maelstrom of Violence

[Kinser79]

(09-04-2017, 07:28 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: You know, in a lot of ways it would be nice to have a black perspective.  Instead, we have a black guy who goes against the grain, fighting the usual black perspective.

There is no "black perspective". There are black people with perspectives. Just like there is no "white perspective", just white people with perspectives. Unless of course you're implying that all blacks are a monolithic amorphious blob--which they clearly are not. As for going against the grain, yeah, I do cause I walked off the plantation and lots of other blacks hate me for it.

 What we've got is one man's opinion, to be taken with a grain of salt...  perhaps a lot of salt.

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(09-04-2017, 02:42 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: In that case you have to oppose BLM as much as the Klan then.  In fact the former is far more powerful than the latter at current.

You are wrong as usual.

No I'm not actually. Unless of course you really do want to give your dwelling to black people or have them take it by force.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...e-up-home/

Quote:  I sympathize with BLM on their original issue.  The federal government is making too much military surplus equipment available to local police.  This has contributed to a militarized attitude.  Not enough training is being made available.

Policing is a problem in this country to be sure, it always has been. We have an unconstitutional and unconscionable "war on drugs" which really should be viewed as a war on people who choose to do drugs and falls disproportionately on poor people be they black, white, or you name it.

I think one possible solution is to have any surplus military hardware for police forces to be determined on the local level. An APC might make sense in an urban area where there is major gang warfare, but most other areas are served perfectly with your standard squad car and 9mm side arm.

I will say that I am fully on board with the police having body cameras on their person. It would nip in the bud major legacy media lies such as "hands up don't shoot".

Quote:  The court system seems to allow 'I was afraid' as a defense, and too many are afraid of people of color.

The right to self-defense is universal. If someone breaks into my house they are getting shot, I don't care if they are black, white, or purple with green polka dots. Are many people afraid of black people? Yes. And with good reason. Here have some "hate facts" as the SJW clowns call them:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...ack-crime/

Quote:BLM has a legit gripe.

Yeah. Too many black people are getting killed. Strangely I don't hear them complaining about the gangsters that make largely black communities violent. Instead they want to whine about police, not all of whom are white, killing a few people who chose to escelate situations that they shouldn't had been in had they just followed Chris Rock's advice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

Quote:The clan?  Well, power is not the only relevant metric.

Yeah it kinda is. Who takes the Klan seriously these days? Nobody. They are irrelevant.

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(09-04-2017, 02:42 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: If the demand is for non-discrimination then ending Affirmative Action is necessary.  As for myself, I don't believe in equality.  Different people have different strengths and weaknesses, different desires and abilities.  As such equality is not only impossible to achieve, but any attempt to achieve it must result in the pulling down of the smart and the strong to the level of the weak and the stupid.

Both equality and non discrimination are desirable.  I just don't see that either one need eliminate the other under all circumstances.  Arbitrarily jumping on one bandwagon at the expense of the other seems strange.

Equality is not desirable. What equality means is an equality of outcome which means you drag down the intelligent, driven and strong to the level of the lazy, unmotivated and stupid. Because everyone has different abilities, levels of drive and skill there are going to be different outcomes.

Ending non-discrimination is not only desirable but also doable, and has largely already been accomplished where there aren't Affirmative Action quotas. But Affirmative Action by its very nature requires discrimination. But I've already explained this several times. Perhaps I'm not being effective at communicating--it happens--perhaps it is a matter of values lock (I run into it with my mother all the time, you listen to her you'd be convinced it was still 1968 or something)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbHHHvVSu7A

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(09-04-2017, 02:42 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: Of the Segregationist Governors and Legislators at the state and Federal level only one crossed the floor, Strom Thurmond.  The Democrats lost the White South not because they stopped being racist--they are still very racist.  I've explained to you how soft-bigotry works at least 100 times Bob.  Rather what changed is the Democrats drifted so far to the left as to alienate the largely conservative white southerner.

The Democrats, seeking the urban black vote, did drive away from the largely conservative (and racist) white southerner.  Party affiliation for most has remained that way since.  I could accept that Nixon got a bit too much credit for it.  He may have recognized it a bit earlier than most rather than initiating it.  Still, the trend is quite real if one isn't value locked out of it.

And yet the GOP didn't suddenly become some sort of racist party. Believe me if they were I'd have nothing to do with them. As for the urban black vote, have you been to those areas that are controlled by the Democrats in many cases 40, 50, 100 years? I have, which made me question Democratic policies pretty early in life.

Quote:Again, I find both ending discrimination and equality as worthy goals, parallel in fact.  Knee jerk reactions of ending one to achieve the other are misguided.  You should try to be more sophisticated.

Well at least you didn't call me articulate, indicating that you believe it is rare or special to find a black man who is literate and speaks correctly. As is typical of a white liberal Bob you seek to fight racism without first questioning yourself as to your own. I find it beneficial to first remove the beam from my own eye, in order to see clearly to remove the splinter from the eye of my brother.

Quote:With Trump's use of racism in his campaign,

What racism?

I'm sorry but it seems you've been infected with TDS. It must be a mild case because I thought you were one of the few liberals on this board who wasn't infected. Must be catching, I'll need to go get a vaccine or something I guess. Hope I don't get the autisms.

Quote: the increase and openness of calls to prejudice and hate have increased.

No they haven't, unless you're talking about Antifa and BLM wanting to kill white people and police.

 

Quote:Any attempting contact with reality would see it.

Really? Then I suggest you try it sometime. I've seen no increase in racist rhetoric around unless you're counting anti-white rhetoric. That isn't to say you don't have folks like David Duke running around but they are basically laughing stocks.

 

Quote:I'll stick with resurfacing as an appropriate word, and wonder a bit at the wannabe black guy siding with Trump.

So now you're going to say that I'm not black. I've never heard that one before! I must be just as not-black as Ben Carson then. Though I do find it troubling that you think that all black people must think a certain way, must have a specific attitude and most importantly must vote for the Democrat even if she is the epitome of everything wrong with both the country and her party.

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(09-04-2017, 02:42 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: I'm going to leave my response to this post here because it is just more of the same refusal to recognize the regeneracy that has already happened because it does not conform to your expectations.

I left my statements as to the so-called see-saw because you are deliberately choosing to not see the complete redefinition of the culture that Trump has brought. I simply cannot do anything with self-deception; I cannot reason you out of a position you weren't reasoned into. But that's okay. According to Scott Adams the side that loses politically is the one which must have the most hallucinations.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/16449216770...opposition