01-15-2021, 06:46 PM
(01-15-2021, 03:55 PM)mamabug Wrote:(01-14-2021, 08:07 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: We will need to know more about this insurrection. Were insiders in the federal government, including elected officials, complicit or neglectful? We may not know fully until investigations or trials are complete. Anybody who had any role in this insurrection that isn't innocent error must be removed from the responsibility and receive such sanctions as appropriate. For a breach of security not an innocent error any Senator or Representative must be expelled; any staffer must be fired and blackballed; any Capitol Police officer or any employee of the House or Senate must be fired. This insurrection is pure disgrace. I have yet to be satisfied that insiders were involved. Lives of fellow Senators and Representatives as well as the dignity of Congress were put at risk.
I agree here, as I think would many on the center-right. My issue is with throwing unsupported claims against a 'them' like chum into the fetid cesspit that is social media. If a congresscritter has a specific concern, they should raise it to the FBI and not post it on Facebook. That even as friendly a publication as the NY Times pointed out (weakly) that the claim had zero proof behind it should be a red flag as to just how irresponsible it is in the current state of tensions and distrust.
It is best that we discuss this from a center-right angle. I do use Facebook, but I am not making any speculations that have not been released into general knowledge (such as the AP wires). I have no desire to tip anyone off, and if I did as the result of knowledge of criminal acts it would be to the appropriate agency of law enforcement.
Quote:My skepticism over the assertion it was an inside job is still pretty high and it would take a lot of actual facts to clear it. Occam's razor, at this point, suggests it was a planned attempt by a hard-core group of Trump supporters who used the madness of crowds and lack of proper preparedness by the DC Mayor as cover WITHOUT active collusion and facilitation of elected officials and/or staffers. It's basically the Seattle CHAZ fiasco in a much more serious context.
I'm making no specific allegations. It is hard to imagine any member of Congress risking a trip from renown to the infamy of prison. People did have armor, and people literally burglarized the Capitol.
The best security isn't an armed camp; it is instead that nobody would even imagine doing anything of the sort. I figure that Capitol police were not prepared for armed people and paramilitary tactics. One crazy person? Sure.
Quote:But, I could be wrong, and I'm sure the lovey surveillance state we live in will soon reveal the truth.
America has trended toward a police state since at least September 11, 2001.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.