08-17-2016, 11:45 AM
(This post was last modified: 08-17-2016, 11:50 AM by Eric the Green.)
(08-17-2016, 11:27 AM)Mikebert Wrote:The point as I read it is not what a defeat signals; it's that the GOP NEEDS to get clobbered in all the races, not just the presidential race, or a presidential victory means little.”David Horn” Wrote:I don't disagree that, in what may be the final days of their party's existence, the entire GOP roster will do anything and everything to make the not-GOP POTUS squirm.
I don’t buy this narrative. It refers to presidential election alone, and asserts that a single large defeat spells the end of their party. McGovern got clobbered worse than Trump is going to be, and yet Dems went on to win the very next presidential election, hold House for the next 22 years and the Senate for 16 of those years.
Quote:Quote:In his time, FDR got the same treatment. The difference between then and now is how the response was handled. FDR stood his ground, and gave better than he got. I don't see Hillary in that role, because it's not in her nature.
Another false narrative as I see it. FDR was elected AFTER the economy had collapsed. It was the collapse of the economy from an elite perspective that defeated the Republicans, FDR had nothing to do with that. What FDR did was not fuck up too bad when it was his turn.
Right now the economy has never been better from an elite perspective. As long as this remains true the Republican party and the corporate-dominated Democratic party will go from strength to strength.
David's point as I read it was about how he was treated after he was elected. He gave as good as he got by saying 4 years later that the elites are unanimous in their hatred for him, and he welcomed their hatred.
The economy is not good, and most people know that, even if it's good for the elites. The question is whether the people can see through the elites' propaganda enough to see that defeating the Republicans at all levels is the path to change, or at least the first step on that path.
Quote:Quote:If she had any vision of where she is going and how she might get there, she should be moving her message away from all-Hillary-all-the-time to a unity message with the down-ballot Democrats. She should hang Trump on the entire party and call for a wholesale replacement of Congressional GOPpers with people who will move the country forward, rather than sink in a mire of incompetence. She should encourage others to do likewise ... but she's not.
Running for president is a pain in the ass. Nobody who didn’t want the position very much would put up with all that bullshit. Hillary very much wants to be president. Why? What do you see as her motivation?
The point is that she needs a congress too, or she won't accomplish much. She sometimes says she can convince the GOP congress to do something. She can't. No-one can.