Fighting The Fourth Reich

[Kinser79]

(08-25-2017, 02:40 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:  If you are an extreme partisan, if you cling to a particular way of looking at the world, you often have to reject the opposite.

Do you mean like how you cling to the notion that there is in every crisis a faction which represents progress and it is known at the time to be the faction which will inevitably win, rather than the far more plausible likelihood that the faction which wins merely proclaims themselves to be progressive after the fact.

I hope I don't have to explain again as to why I do not subscribe to Whig History. Rather, I subscribe to the view that history is written by the victors.

Quote:  Words like insane, stupid, brainwashed, evil, etc… are handy go to concepts in such a case.  Eric’s ‘insane’ label will be attached to anyone who disagrees with him on gun policy.  Kinser threw such words at a blue tainted list of magazines.  It’s common.

Being called insane by Eric the Ignoramus is a case of a pot calling a kettle black. Oh wait, that's rayciss now. And I didn't say the Atlantic was insane, I said that their position that the solar eclipse was racist was absurd. The person(s) who wrote that article may or may not be insane. I'm not a psychologist and thus not qualified to make such a determination.

Quote:Occasionally it is up stated front.  Eric doesn’t read anything from the NRA.

I would be more surprised to find out that Eric reads.

Quote:  Kinser claims a lack of empathy.

Not quite. PBR claimed I lacked empathy. I made the counter claim that I did have empathy, just none for him. There is a difference.

Quote:But this does not imply Eric speaks for all blues, nor Kinser for all reds.

And there is an other difference as well. Eric and those like him are inclined to say that they do speak for all blues. Myself, and other reds typically are upfront that we speak for ourselves.

Quote:A lot of people regarding the gun policy question are just not listening.

There isn't much to listen to. Either you favor people having constitutional rights or you do not. Those like Eric don't want people to have rights and the biggest right standing in their way is the right to keep and bear arms. A population is either armed or enslaved there is no middle ground.

Quote: A lot of red are uninterested in helping others.

I and other reds are quite interested in helping others. One of the best ways to help them is to get them to help themselves first. Hence why many oppose the welfare state. Indeed, I can think of nothing more destructive to black Americans than the welfare state. Unless of course one wants to make the argument that racism is both systemic and worse today than it was in the 1940s.

Quote:On Whig ideas.  Are king’s powers diminished?  Are slaves freed?  Are human rights spreading?  Have robber baron’s increased their power at the expense of aristocratic landowners?  If you look at S&H crises in the Anglo American sequence over the last 500 years or so, can you not often find a progressive faction, advocating one or more of these ideas, and moving on to ‘win’ the crisis?

Do you not realize that if Britain had stuck through the war instead of growing tired of fighting the colonials that there would have been no United States. That the revered founding fathers would have been hanged like traitors. Do you not realize that had the South succeeded in defeated the North not only would none of the slaves been freed, but that the country would be split in twain. Do you not realize that had there not been WW2 people would have eventually grown tired of the ineffective New Deal.

It is after the 4T is won, by someone, that who is and who is not progressive is determined. History as ever, is written by the victors.

Quote:Liberty, Equality, Fraternity!  It never happened?

No it's never happened. Equality is the opposite of liberty because if one has liberty, the natural differences in skills, intelligence, drive and so on inevitably lead to unequal outcomes. One can have liberty or they can have equality but they can't have both. Much like eating cake or having cake.

As for me I think New Hampshire's motto expresses it best. Live free or die.

Quote:To defend his own empathy lite perspective, he has to disparage those who do want to share and care.

I wouldn't claim you to be an expert on all things red either, especially me. I'm all or sharing and caring. That I focus that on individual actions, charity and family is only right and proper. As I have said about the welfare state, nothing has been so destructive to black Americans. Yet I imagine you would consider it out of character for an avowed atheist to spend his Saturdays at a church food bank.

As for the Whig perspective, it is deader than a hammer. The next century belongs to the Jeffersonians and Jacksonians.