Fighting The Fourth Reich

[Kinser79]

(08-31-2017, 04:50 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

Kinser Wrote:The UDHR is not enforceable, the UN doesn't have an army to enforce it.  The UN is a paper tiger, it only has more teeth than the League it replaced because the US is often willing to act as world policeman.  As for the ACA it isn't so much as a program to share risks and costs but rather a mandate that every citizen who doesn't qualify for Medicare or medicaid buy a certain product.  It is in fact a giant subsidy to the insurance industry.

Where in the US is there space reserved for just one race, or gender?  I won't go into culture because ideally there should only be one culture if we plan on being a functioning state.  If I have the money I can live in a penthouse in NYC.  A millionaire if he desires to can live in a slum.  This is a non-argument.

That being said, I would say that identitarian politics are ultimately entirely toxic.  That toxicity manifests whether the direction it comes from is left or right.  In America there is only one identity that should matter, the identity of being an American.

The ability to hate is a natural right.  I'll even go further and say that the 14/88 crowd should even be allowed to openly say that "you know gassing the kikes and hanging niggers is fundamentally a good idea".  I'm not concerned by their hate or their speech.  It is when they start doing things that I grow concerned.  And there already are laws for murder or assault.

The best way to limit violent behavior is to allow those that advocate it to speak.  They will show themselves to be the assholes that they are and they will be ignored.

I would say the intent of the ACA is to share risks and costs,

What a law intends is irrelevant.  What a law does is very relevant.  The Obamacare is a give away to the insurance companies.  It was designed as such from its very inception.

Quote:That's your politics speaking.

Considering that elsewhere it is clear that my politics indicate that I would support a Bismarck model, I think not.  I'd much rather nationalize health insurance than create a massive program of welfare for insurance companies, companies who essentially make their profits by denying sick people access to treatment.

As such, it seems to me, that my reaction to and attatude about the Unafordable Care Act is a result of what it actually does.

 

Quote:I can sympathize with your characterization that the ACA didn't go far enough, but it's a headache getting anything through Congress.

Odd, before Boomer domination of Congress it more or less worked.  Yeah the legislative process is messy, it always is.  The only thing I can think of that I'd rather not see besides legislators legislating is the making of sausage.  I spent time as a vegetarian after a field trip to a meat processing facility.  Unfortunately I eventually developed anemia so I kinda have to eat some animal products.  So while I won't eat meat unless I kill it myself I will tear up some fish.  Except for game an fish this song essentially describes my lifestyle.








 

Quote:There are far better things than the ACA, and you're nudging in favor of some of them, but replacing before repealing seems out of reach just now.

Replacement is impossible without repealing first.

Quote:There are places where you won't land a job if you aren't of the right gender, culture or pigmentation.

Citation needed.  Cause the Civil Rights Act of 1965 says different.

Quote:Housing is much better than it was.  Where you can't show prejudice in action, you shouldn't get affirmative action.  However, there are still times and places for it.

No.  One can either afford the place they want to live or they can't.  If they can't afford the rent, or the mortgage, or whatever, then they have no entitlement to that living situation.

 

Quote:Some among the alt right suggest no place for affirmative action at all, which to me means they wish to continue prejudice. 

So your solution to prejudice and discrimination is more prejudice and discrimination?  That sounds like a strange way to end prejudice and discrimination.

Quote:Personally, I find the desire to block affirmative action is often a desire to continue prejudice.  It's just identity politics with an extra degree of indirection intended to say the liberal concerned with equality is at fault rather than the wannabe prejudice performer.  If you accept that those attempting to continue prejudice are engaging in identity politics, I'm with you in preferring we could make identity politics of the past.

I find those who question the motives of any advocate of anything are often as wrong as they are right.  I don't believe in a god, but let us say one exists, then only he is able of seeing into the hearts of men.  I'm far less concerned about what motivates men than I am about what they do.

What is the result of affirmative action?  In education it is the view that any black or latino person with a college education of any note likely got there through affirmative action rather than their own talents, rather they got it because of affirmative action or because they are smart and talented.  In the absence of such a thing there is no doubt.  I think you'd be hard pressed to say that Fredrick Douglas, W. E. B. Du Bois, or Booker T. Washington were smart and talented.  Yet today someone with the same education credentials as they, in the same color of skin as they would be questioned s to their intelligence and talent.

And I would say by and large racism is far less prevalent and institutional than it was in their day.

Let's see what Brother Malcolm has to say about White Liberals:  Also it should be noted that the white men with the police dogs and what not were themselves Democrats.






The black man's solution for racism against him, against all black people is contained within him.  That solution cannot be obtained as a gift from any other group of people.  Be they liberal or conservative, be they white or brown, or yellow, or pink or any other color of the rainbow.

Quote:I'm pretty much in agreement on hate speech.  I'm just inclined to expect violence following the speech.  There's a reason I attach the spiral of rhetoric to the spiral of violence.  Words leads to violence, and that's where we are in the spirals just now.  However, if the cops wait until the words shift to violence, I've no beef.  They should just expect and plan for it.  I'll say that as much of Antifa as the so called neo Nazi and neo Confederates.  Again, I suspect that for many it's as much the testosterone as well though out politics.

Violence is already in the hearts of men.  There is no need for words for there to be violence.  Furthermore there can be no violence between two groups of people without both groups choosing to be violent.  Or have you forgotten the tactics of non-violent resistance as taught by Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr?

No the solution to ending any remaining inequalities is to have a thoroughly meritocratic society.