07-13-2016, 11:16 AM
(07-12-2016, 06:10 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(07-12-2016, 05:20 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:I don't consider you as being a Democrat. Obama was a democratic socialist and that didn't stop him. Bernie was an Independent.(07-12-2016, 05:01 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: The Democrats are known to be the ones who insure the government checks are delivered on time with adequate funds available to cover the amount due. If Bernie was a life long time Democrat and was directly associated with the Democrats, he wouldn't have had a trust barrier to over come with conservative Democrats.
You think that I live on government checks, even though I only recently started getting some social security that I paid for, and that's it. You think black people who vote Democratic and vote for Hillary do it because they want their government checks. What data do you have to show that most blacks get government checks?
Bernie did have a reputation as a "democratic socialist" to overcome.
Barack Obama is a socialist only to the extent that the editorial staff of American Opinion (rag of the John Birch Society) consider him a socialist. It may be ironic to you, but the current President has done more to privatize publicly-held assets than many "conservative" Presidents. Of course that privatization undid the "receivership socialism" associated with the rescue of failing entities during the worst economic meltdown since 1929-1932. A Marxist would have held tight to that privatization and extended it even further.
Hate socialism? George W. Bush inflicted more socialism by the Marxist-Leninist standard of government ownership and operation of productive capital than any prior American President since Abraham Lincoln ordered the US Army to take over railroads within the liberated zones of the erstwhile Confederate States of America. That shows how inept a President Dubya was. With respect to privatization of American business, Barack Obama has more in common with Margaret Thatcher. He has also cut out some sleazy sweetheart deals between the federal government and questionable actors.
The problem with Barack Obama as a socialist is, paradoxically, that as a black man he could not get away with much. He has done far less than I wish to alleviate poverty in America. The Right would have accused him of using welfare as a form of patronage to blacks that right-wingers assume is an inherent property of black people (they prefer welfare to work -- pardon the stereotype, but that is commonplace among the Right).
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.