The Partisan Divide on Issues

[pbrower2a]

(11-15-2017, 12:44 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-13-2017, 05:54 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(11-12-2017, 12:49 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: I find it amusing that so-called progressives equate valuing families and being patriotic with Nazism.

Which 'progressives', and called such by whom? Valuing families of people that fascists consider pariahs for ethnicity, religion, or sexual composition  would seem anti-fascist in my book. During World War II, patriotism in much of the world implied an implacable hatred for Nazism. Fascists invariably exploit patriotic symbols and other expressions, but such is fraud.

Quote:The Guardian is a commie rag that I wouldn't wipe my ass with for fear of getting some sort of disease.  That being said, there is clear evidence that Soros was and is funding so-called anti-fa groups which are really anarcho-communists.  Problem is anarcho-anything doesn't work.  Even the An-caps eventually must admit that a despotism of some form, often a monarchy, will establish itself.  Human nature is still animalistic and that unlikely to change in the near future.

This anarcho-syndicalist recognizes the need for police, courts of laws, prisons, and taxing authorities because Humanity has more than its share of people with vile tendencies. I prefer that people drive sober and at civilized speeds and that there not be meth labs or child abuse.

I dunno, Hitler blaming Jews for all of Germany's problems and all the dip shit Germans problems and the dip shit German going a long comes across and sounds pretty liberal to me.

Blaming the Jews is commonplace for extremists of the Left (who, like the self-hating Jew Karl Marx, associate Jews with money-grubbing inconsistent with socialism)  and the Far Right, who generally consider Jews a disloyal  and a destructive element within their community. Sensible people recognize the diversity within Judaism and among Jews. Then there are those people who see Israel as a gaping wound in what they think 'their' Arab or Muslim world, which may have little to do with economic ideology.

I am a liberal, and I generally recognize religious Jews as near-Christians who don't need Jesus.

The Austria in which Hitler grew up had plenty of problems. So did the Germany that Hitler took over. (OK, any country susceptible to a demagogue, whether Germany in the 1930s or the USA in the 2010s, has cancer of the soul). The p0roblems that Germany had in the early 1930s had at their core extreme disparities between haves and have-nots (Germany had the lowest industrial wages in Europe, even lower than those in countries with lesser levels of industrialization, monopolistic organization of Big Business, harsh management, rural overpopulation, militarism, racism, and  a heritage of Machiavellian near-despotism in a country with a shaky democracy, an arrogant aristocracy, and multitudes with hurt feelings about a war that went badly. Mysticism and the occult (such as Theosophy and the Thule Society) had badly debased many minds, making them amenable to gross irrationality. Inflation had ravaged middle-class savers, practically ensuring that there would be no large population of small creditors who are the basis of a moderate conservatism. The moderate-conservative Zentrum (Center) Party, analogous to the British Conservatives, was too small to put up an active resistance to Hitler.  Severe inequality fostered a large Communist Party unwilling to cut deals with any bourgeois party even when  such might have saved the Weimar Republic from Hitler and ultimately the German Communists from the concentration camps.  

Anyone with any sense would have recognized that the Jews had nothing to do with any of those problems. OK, so they dressed oddly on Saturdays and High Holy Days and had their religious services in a language that one practically had to be Jewish to understand -- and they had no use for some Jewish fellow named Jesus who somehow became German... go figure. But model minorities are particularly vulnerable to demagogic hatred when the economy melts down.

The old German socialist dictum "Antisemitism is the socialism of the dolt" applied well to Germans whose national pride came with neither a moral compass or legitimate achievement.

Jews were not the problem in Germany, as shown by the great contributions of Jews to the Allied war efforts, if the Jews got the chance. Turn Britain into an antisemitic Hell and Germany into a place congenial to Jews in 1939, and you get a German conquest of Britain.

In any event, there is nothing liberal about any form of fascism, whether 'classical' fascism of Italy, Nazism, the Hungarian Arrow Cross, the Romanian Iron Guard, the Croatian Ustase, the British BUF, or the American KKK, all of which were anti-Jewish. (Japanese fascism and the dictatorships of Franco and Salazar were not antisemitic. Right-wing American fascists shouting "Jews will not replace us" as in Charlottesville are ferociously anti-liberal.

Remember: the antithesis of a raging fascist is not a raging Commie. The antithesis of a raging fascist is a sober liberal.

Enough said.