The Partisan Divide on Issues

[David Horn]

(12-01-2019, 04:13 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(12-01-2019, 10:33 AM)David Horn Wrote: The original communists and socialists were monks and cloistered nuns, so don't try to link the two.  It's a bad fit.  If you want to argue that secularism is destroying the fabric of society, and that's covered pretty well in the linked article above, then feel free to bring some evidence.  Right now, the most stable families are among the secular elite, of course they have the resources needed to make that happen.  In general, Blue areas of the country have much lower levels of teen births and single motherhood that's unplanned.  The most fragmented in all categories: the rural poor.

True, the originals did it differently than their modern predecessors are doing it/attempting to do it today. How many blues would be willing to fight and die for their country these days? How many would be willing to sacrifice themselves to save a friend or a family member or a unborn baby these days? Do you really want to go there with me? I have no druthers when it comes to talking about liberal people these days. Like I've said, its hard to accuse me of getting my information about liberals from conservative groups or conservative spokesmen or radio stars when I here processing information and learning first hand. Are you to dense to figure out and an understand that's what's happening here? The psychological war blues have been waging ain't over yet buddy. Are you at the point of winning it or losing it at this point? I have my opinion but I'd like to here your opinion.

What information do you think you've garnered first hand?  I live in an exurban, extremely Red area, and the people here tend to be wonderful, one-on-one.  That said, they are uniformly unwilling to give anyone anything unless they know them personally -- even when it's in their own best interests.  I've given up discussing any of this with them, because facts, no matter how obvious, don't impact the discussion at all.  They say, "I don't believe it" or It's a lie", or they say it's true but they just don't care.  So who is waging war here, exactly?  

Saying 'the grass is green' is a simple statement of fact, not an indictment of the lawn.  It's hard to argue that this is psychological warfare, when the facts all align on one side … and it's not yours.  Are we winning with the facts?  It's hard to say.  Eventually, the facts always win, but eventually can be a long time.  The HUAC hearings in the 1950s destroyed the lives of hundreds to thousands of people with less than rock-rib rightwing political leanings.  With very few exceptions, those people were totally innocent.  Now, it's happening again, and it's a large part of the 4T this time.