12-08-2019, 06:32 AM
(This post was last modified: 12-08-2019, 06:35 AM by Cynic Hero '86.)
(12-08-2019, 05:33 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:Bernie was the Stronger Candidate, Polls during the spring and early summer 2016 Showed Bernie Beating Trump But Hillary losing to Trump. Hillary was an establishment candidate who campaigned essentially on either "isn't everything just great now" or "White supremacists are everywhere" or "Russia, Russia Russia", the DNC establishment then forced fed her through the primary, which alienated Independents, Progressives and Moderates. Alot of those voters voted for Trump in retaliation voted third Party or Stayed Home. I voted third party during the last election. If a DNC force-feed is attempted again the DNC will disintegrate, Like the Whigs did in 1852. Therefore it is questionable whether there would be a DNC for President Trump to campaign against next Fall. That the DNC would still exist next fall during the general phase is NOT a done deal. A Bernie/Trump debate would have been focused on policy options regarding Economic/military/Foreign policy with the people deciding in favor of whatever was concluded to be the better option. This didn't happen, instead the democrats embraced circus politics this was most stark during the vice-presidential debate when Mike Pence was trying to debate actual policy options throughout the debate and Tim Kaine was talking establishment soundbites throughout the debate. The 2016 VP debate has largely been forgotten but it was a decisive moment toward Trump's win in my opinion.(12-08-2019, 03:27 AM)Cynic Hero Wrote: Man the 2020 election is going to shock BOTH sides. Notably the probable collapse of the DNC and the rise of independent candidates and platforms that neither Eric or Classic see coming. The problem with the liberal side is that they support unwanted high taxation and high social/economic regulations. Why can't the government limit itself to national defense/maintaining infrastructure/maintainng financial solvency? Repeal glass-steagal too; if you guys are genuinely interested in making things better.I've seen it happen before, I voted for Ross Perot in 1992. So, how long has Trump been running for President of America now? He's been running since 2016. Haven't you heard? We are already voting to Keep America Great now. I'm sorry to burst the Liberal's bubble but he defeated their strongest candidate back in 2016.
Regarding a roundup of illegal's that would occur eventually in order to restore social cohesion but I'm perplexed at why classic mentioned Midwestern areas: Most illegal Mexicans and others live in either the southwest (especially california), florida, texas, and the northeast big cities. The midwest doesn't really have a large immigrant population except in the chicago area.