The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Bob Butler 54]

(01-12-2020, 03:57 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Bob, it isn't about spreading our way of life as you say, it's about securing our country and protecting our way of life as the world goes nuts for a while. You shouldn't buy into the liberal hype and vile stereotypes (like conservatives being racists, fascists and evil Evangelicals) used by liberals these days either. You're to old to still be into remedial high school/college level shit. Me, I gave up going to rock concerts, partying like crazy and raising hell a long time ago.

I don't demonize liberals as you say, I'm not God or Jesus or a preacher like Obama's either. I tell them the brutal truth about them and I tell them what I don't like about them and tell them why so many Americans hate them and want nothing to do with them. Whether you deserve to be lumped in with them or not, I leave for you to decide. The bulk of your politicians are two faced boot lickers who got rich by being able to get away with playing both sides of the fence.  Right now, I'm comfortable with liberal demonizing and liberals doing/ supporting the bulk of the demonizing these days and eventually paying the price for being directly associated with those above them who are still into practicing demonizing, still teaching demonizing and still believing in the value of demonizing most American citizens one way or another these days. You see, I know it's eventually going to blow up in the liberals face and the result isn't going to be a pleasant experience for most so called liberals these days.

Some conservatives are bigots.  Not all of them, but the Southern Strategy was and remains real.  When LBJ went after the minority vote, it was to be expected that the other party would do the obvious.  It lingers.

Absurdly few conservatives are fascist.  Oh, a few who enjoy confrontation will wear the swastika and use the old salutes.  I am not saying they are into 20th century fascism and the original meaning of the word.  No one is building gas chambers or serious about bringing back openly lynching people.  I am not saying the ‘all conservatives are fascist’ is any more true than ‘all democrats are socialists.’  That is demonizing, in either direction.  I will call out folk who do either, including you.

Some evangelicals organize into political action. This is one part of the conservative scene.  They attempt to enforce their religious values on those that don't share them.  Denying this is kinda futile, an effective lie.  I too will call them like I see it.

It is no more American to believe that America was great in the 1950s and 1960s, during the New Deal through Great Society progressive peak, than it is American to throw oneself into the Nixon through Trump conservative era.  It is not un-American to tax the rich or believe in equality.  To use the word ‘American’ as if it only applied to conservatives is a lie.  Many liberals were born in and live in America and believe in values which are deeply rooted in the USA.

Most liberals are not socialists.  The conservatives use the word when they wish to demonize.  When you have bigots and socialists debating one another, calling each other names, you are not having a serious conversation where both sides are listening to one another.  You are having a name calling contest, with both sides exchanging school yard level insults.

Ever since Nixon was forced out of power, the Republicans have daydreamed about doing the same to a Democrat.  They have not come close.  If you do not believe in big government, you are free to step outside of rule of law so long as you don’t get caught.  A bunch of conservative administrations have got caught.  Watergate.  Iran Contra.  Lying about causes of war.  Violating campaign finance laws.  Refusing to recognize oversight.  Promising to disregard oaths.  There is only lying about their sex life going the other way.  Not the same.

To escape the problematic Democratic habit of obeying the law, many conservatives have stepped into a world of alternate facts.  In short, they lie and don’t care that they are lying.  Their daydreams of locking her up have no basis in reality.  The official investigations have once again cleared Hillary, but will this slow down the chants?  Will it free the members and allies of the conservative administration being investigated, plea bargaining and in some cases being actually locked up?  This is problematic.  It is Republican administrations who indulge in a very small minority of those who act outside the law.

Now as long as you use prejudicial language like ‘American’ and ‘Socialist’ I will tell it like I see it.  You are spouting propaganda which is just not true.  You are deliberately poisoning attempts at real conversation.  More than a few who are die hard into the liberal way of looking at things are doing the same.

That is what I mean by demonizing.