The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Bob Butler 54]

(01-29-2020, 07:05 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(01-28-2020, 11:13 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-28-2020, 07:23 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(01-28-2020, 05:47 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(01-28-2020, 04:17 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I agree, ignoring major problems and shifting problems on others and blaming others for problems doesn't make problems go away. I don't know if you will live long enough to see the carnage and violence as the progressive era of old begins to come to end. I hope not for you sake. I don't have a problem with my retirement plan. I'm an X'er you know. I'd say it's better to be wealthier and more self sufficient than being more dependent like must blues these days. The reds themselves will be fine regardless of the situation because the reds are already committed to taking off themselves/their own so to speak.ior in s

The way I read it, there was a progressive era from FDR to LBJ.  The conservative policies dominated between Nixon and at least Trump, crashing America’s greatness.  The impeachment of Trump and the ‘OK Boomer’ meme hint that another progressive time may be coming.  Even if so, it is not here yet.

I do believe the reds are more independent, could survive a bad time cleaner.  On the other hand blues work together better, could make a good time better.  The latter seems more likely.

-- l would argue progressive from Roosevelt 2 Jimmy Carter. Jimmy was the last old school dem Prez.  lnterestingly he backs Bernie, who despite calling himself a democratic socialist is really an old school dem, like from back in the 60s & 70s

I would extend it to Obama.

Obama may have an admiration for the New Deal, but he could not wave some rhetorical version of a magic wand and bring it back. he could at most prepare Americans for an updated version suited to an America in which the original constituency for the New Deal is practically obsolete, and technology and culture no longer fit the 1930's. Obama could at best co-opt Reagan-style rhetoric and Eisenhower-style behavior in support of some much-needed reforms that the Master Class thwarted with deep-pockets support for reactionary causes.

If Obama is to have any role in shaping any new era it will be as a portent laying the intellectual and ideological foundation. Trump will be (according to the Skowronek cycle) an unambiguous demonstration of how not to do things.

I would say the democratic presidents through the see saw unraveling period all had a respect for the New Deal approach and pulled towards restoring America to its past greatness. They all failed. They each may have succeeded at something or another. Cinton 42 tried to balance the budget. Obama passed health care. Yet while they might moderate a little part of the conservative agenda, they might undo a little bit of the damage done by the conservative presidents between, they did not overturn the overall mood of the country. If many of them relieved the US from a disaster of the conservative excesses, the people voted right back to trying to make the unravelling memes work.

Eventually the conservatives will stop trying and we might see another progressive period. Judging from Classic, not yet.