The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Bob Butler 54]

(01-29-2020, 07:05 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-29-2020, 12:48 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: There are several interpretations of "neo-liberal," but the dominant one is that it is your philosophy of "trickle-down economics" and "none of my tax money for lazy people on welfare" (i.e. the blacks, latinos in urban areas... yadda yadda). Neo-liberalism is Reaganomics and the status quo that you just admitted above that you like.

America is an idea: that the country exists for the benefit of its people, with a government of, by and for the people. You and your Party approve of and vote for an authoritarian dictator who considers himself above the law. You and your Party and your Dictator are ANTI-AMERICAN! Get that. Your president feels entitled to fully and completely obstruct ANY investigation made of him to hold him accountable. He has divided the country between those who respect the congress and the laws, and those who only respect the president.

Well, I think it's pretty clear that Trump is not above the law. However, I think you are blind and must not have been listening to Alan Dershowitz's Constitutional argument that he presented to the Senate the other day. It's been very clear to me for a long time that a segment of the Democratic party views it itself and conducts itself as if  it's some how or another see's itself, believes itself, presents itself, conducts itself as being   above the law and feels free to ignore the law and intentionally break or change the  the law anytime it wants or feels it needs to these days. Hint...that particular bunch of Democrats are directly related to you, your needs  and the needs of  every liberal poster here today. So, how do we bring those liberal politicians of yours down to earth and force them to accept that they are equal in the eyes of the law and teach them a lesson about their use and obvious belief in a system of    double standards and so forth? Well, that's up to the Democrats to work  out themselves and fix themselves before we get really serious  and begin addressing the issue with the Democrats in ways that  further separate them from those who also share traditional American values these days.         

Yes, I'm more in favor of supporting modern day supply side economics than the old Keynesian approach favored by traditional Democrats and those who still be in socialist policies and socialist economics of old. However, I'm not a big fan of neo-liberalism or globalism today, or the liberal policies directly associated with it these days.

Still amazed that anyone thinks in terms of voodoo economics.  When the Republicans get the White House, they borrow and spend like crazy.  They stimulate in good times and bad to get into two terms of good times.  Then comes “It’s the economy, stupid”, or the Great Recession, and power is handed back to the responsible people for a while.

How come the Democrats never get caught?  Why is it always the Republicans who get caught up in things like Watergate, Iran-contra, lying about causes of war, the nest of corruption that is Trump?  It is not like either side isn’t ready to pounce these days.  I am willing to believe the Democrats took a lot of elite money back a while, to send the jobs abroad.  I quite believe that the Democrats got pretty corrupt back in the late Progressive Era.  Leave anyone in power too long, and you will get some corruption.

But you have to be pretty blind to see the Democrats as the more corrupt party now.  Establishment Republicans don’t believe in big government.  They believe in exploiting big government.

The Tea Party?  Much less corrupt at a close to the grass roots level.  However, in latching onto Trump, they have latched on to his corruption too.  If they bind onto Trump blindly they will only tick the much less corrupt liberals off.  The middle of the country will be scorned as backing corruption.  The only reason to bind themselves to Trump is the racism and tribal thinking.  Those are anathema to the liberals.

But I too do am not in favor of neoliberalism and shipping jobs abroad.  But I see both as more Establishment Republican pro elite policies far more than liberal.  That is one place where you are so delusional, so ready to believe that the other side is supporting your sides policies, that I lose you entirely.  A extremist will seldom accurately see the other guys policy.  They are so much into demonization that they believe themselves.  They come to see their own version of reality.