The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Bob Butler 54]

(01-31-2020, 04:07 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-31-2020, 07:23 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: In politics, I do expect negative implications and opinions.  I do not expect constant schoolyard level taunts, word redefinition, lies or threats.  Is this expectation unusual in your view?  Un-American, whatever that means to you?

I'm cool with it. The question is, are you capable of living up to it and owning up to your mistakes or not. You can't expect having it both ways. The conservatives who pass through here from time to time and visit aren't running rough shot, attacking new posters at will/as they please and parading around, parroting each other and acting like a vicious cult like the liberals did/ were able to get away for a while in the old forum. You should know what American means, you should know the American pledge of allegiance by heart, you should understand the human losses and the sacrifices and the hardships and the goodness associated with the American flag and be able to recognize yourself and your freedoms as being with American flag and the American Constitution and the country for which it stands. At what point has the terms Liberal Democrat ever been placed above the terms America or American or viewed as above them and no longer accountable to them and so forth? Do you get my
drift or do you require more education?

Well, the predecessors of the Liberal Democrats have been struggling with the more conservative for a long time, at least since they settled on the City on a Hill.  More conservative people insisted on kings and slaves.  They said no.  Yes, human loses and sacrifice was involved in righting the traditional wrongs.  

This time around the problems include racism, the environment, defending the Constitution from autocracy and the division of wealth.  

Yes, we in the Northeast, of the coasts, are kind of pushy.  While battle and war may not be called for this time around, I do not expect the Whiggish arrow of progress to suddenly stop.  Every four score and seven years we force a new birth of freedom.  Every once in a while, long endured injustices seem to be no longer tolerable.  

I’m afraid you are going to have to learn to live with it.  If you don’t, you can find yourself labelled under the newer values as part of the problem, not part of the solution.  You have to look at the elites, the environment, the racists, the autocrat, and decide where exactly you feel it necessary to make a stand.

And, yes, I believe I can grow.  When should we change cultures by force?  How did the 2nd come to be?  It seems neither extreme is free of ignoring the Constitution when some of the long injustices and parts of the culture are within it.  ‘All men are created equal’ changes meaning as new injustices come to the fore.

Or, at least, I feel kind of alone in listening to both sides, and having neither say thank you for it.

But on another front, the mothers of the coast commonly ask their young children what the magic word is.  The answer, of course, is the word ‘please’.  Mature children eventually learn, and scatter the magic word about their conversation.  When the complaint includes common threats of violence, do you consider another threat of violence to replace the magic?  If you want the accusations of demonization to stop, have you tried the magic word?

Of course, stopping acting like a demon would also help.  Can you demonize a demon?

I doubt the mothers of the place you call America are that much different when they find their little darlings full of taunts, lies and threats.  Most are expected to learn.  Some never do.