The Partisan Divide on Issues

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(02-05-2020, 08:45 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(02-04-2020, 11:39 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(02-04-2020, 04:31 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(02-04-2020, 03:12 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: The SJW's, the globalists/so called global citizens  and the Quasi Socialists are the ones with the most influence and causing the most  trouble for the Democratic side these days.

My three basic problems with the conservative movement are a habitual alliance between the establishment Republicans and the Elites, the racist element, and the small government theory that we should not work on things that need to be done.  I have not exactly been shy to denounce all three.  I note you are not an advocate of the racist or elites elements.  The Tea Party is an attempt to free the conservative base from elites.  I noted a prior post where you admitted it is not a good thing to let problems sit around and get worse.  You have denounced racism a number of times.

In theory, we should be on the same side.

My problem is that many in the middle of the country pursue the agenda set by the elites and racists.  While in many ways the Tea Party is ahead of the Democrats in fighting elite influence, still the elite influence is sending jobs abroad to the profit of a few, and that in fighting the minorities the racists ended up hurting the poor of the Xers and Millennials.  If you didn’t start saving way back when the influence of the Progressive Era was still strong, you find the fruit of your labor going to the elites instead of a retirement account.

I want to shake the typical person from the middle of the country and demand he wake up, to ask who he is really helping.

You're associated with an agenda set by elites and racists. I've run into/ seen more racist minorities associated with progressive politics than KKK and Neo Nazi's these days. Nope, it's not a good thing to ignore these problems and let these problems get even worse and become a major problem for Democrats. I don't tolerate racism that exists on the progressive side and I don't bow down or submit to their form of pressure either. So, who are you helping?

As a general racists are equal-opportunity... haters. Haters in minority groups would hate people in other minority groups. Let's put it this way: when it comes to the three most visible minorities -- blacks, Hispanics, and Asians -- they seem to be in lockstep on politics despite huge cultural differences between them. 

Contempt for Trump policies is not anti-white racism any more than contempt for the Mafia is anti-white (or specifically anti-Italian) or contempt for MS-13 is anti-Hispanic. People are right to show disdain for vile rogues. The most anti-Mafia people that you will ever meet are Italian-Americans. I can't say the same about Nazis and German-Americans, as it is in bad form to co-opt the suffering of others for selfish reasons.
 
From what I know of the progressive side, it might be anti-capitalist, but definitely not anti-white. White people are welcome to share in the struggle against the fascistic plutocracy that Donald Trump seeks to create. Both fascism and plutocracy are inconsistent with the democratic tradition. I'll be satisfied with "capitalism with a human face", which is far better than the inhuman monstrosity we now have.  

Note well: there is no one American tradition. Ask the First Peoples. Ask Hispanics in the Southwest whether they think that their traditions are less valid than some WASP tradition. Note well: the Hispanics can assimilate WASPs into their culture. The culture of the descendants of black slaves in America formed here. Irish-Americans picked and chose here. 

We do not have so much traditionalists and radical rejections of tradition; we have multiple traditions in place. In America, no lasting tradition is more valid than another. It can be one's own tradition as a birthright or even a choice. Maybe some subcultures are not valid, especially criminal subcultures. But if it is strictly ethnicity, any ethnicity can have a winning culture in America.

Capitalism with a human face? Isn’t that what we had during the first quarter century following WWII? Then the mote lunatic fringe of capitalism began taking over. Slowly at first, then accelerating from the Reagan years onward.