The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Eric the Green]

(02-19-2020, 01:19 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(02-18-2020, 09:45 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(02-18-2020, 02:40 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: If it takes an oligarch to get America on the right track, then so be it. FDR was an outright patrician, which is far better than being a poltroon like Trump. FDR wanted to save the system from its worst tendencies -- and that is exactly what he did.

In America, representing the new values and switching to the new values puts you in a rather elite club.  Can you picture going into a group that currently consists of Washington, Lincoln and FDR?  It is worth skipping out of one’s oligarch station and making a few enemies among the robber barons to get there.  The allies one would pick up in the process would compensate.

So, what do you think Bob, is blue America on the right track? Do you think Bernie and Bloomberg can muster enough wealth to keep you funded, the UN funded, the illegal immigrant population funded, the legal refugee population funded, the existing welfare population funded, the big city streets paved, the big city police forces adequately sized and supplied, the big city liberal institutions and its infrastructure and all the corruption funded and continue not enforcing laws and continue looking the other way as farmers and workers are getting the shaft by corporations and global conglomerates like its doing today. I'm a hard sell because I'm not a Democratic believer any more than I'm a Catholic believer or a socialist believer these days.

I don't think many of the people caught up in the "red state" mindset that Classic Xer is caught up in are going to change their minds. They should, if they ever understood that it is not liberals, progressives and Democrats who are giving them the shaft just by taxing them in reasonable amounts, but the very corporate big shots whom they vote for who are giving them such shaft as they receive. No, I'm afraid most of those in the red mindset will stay there until they die, and no amount of polite argument or discussion will change it. The blue side needs to rally their forces, and make their case clear to those few in the middle who switch from side to side depending on the cosmic tide. There is no substitute for victory in a 4T. Lincoln said it, MacArthur said it. Compromise fails in a 4T. We have to gird for battle and win it.

The Classic Xers of the world fail to recognize that the blue side pays the bills and the red side gets the welfare in the form of military bases and welfare payments. The big corporations which they vote for are the ones who don't pay livable wages, forcing their workers onto the welfare they so revile. And the red staters like Classic Xer will never recognize that illegals are not the cause of the higher taxes that so frighten them, because the illegals work and add to the economy, and because they take the jobs that no-one else will take and for which the corporations need them and hide them. The red staters will continue to point to the blue cities and their problems, which they have to fund entirely by themselves because the right-wing neo-liberals they vote for already refuse to help them. Red staters like Classic Xer even see that the corporations and global conglomerates are giving farmers and workers the shaft, but they refuse to see that by voting for these corporate conglomerates as they do, the corporate conglomerates continue to do exactly that without any legal restraints put upon them.

The red staters like Classic Xer would sooner allow the corporate conglomerates to have their way with laissez faire and lower taxes (the neo-liberal program and the major Republican Party platform plank) which allow them to get richer and more powerful at everyone else's expense, if it means they can keep their AK-47s ready and loaded and can carry them and parade them on the streets of blue cities. The red staters would rather defend their superstitions like fundamentalist Christianity, climate science denial, creationism, and "right to life" anti-abortion crusades than to vote for candidates who might impose higher taxes and regulations on the big billionaires and global conglomerates and make them pay their share and behave like good citizens.