The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Bob Butler 54]

(04-07-2020, 06:50 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(04-07-2020, 04:29 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: What did you have in mind?

I know I would want to go after the old slavery compromises which gave the slave states and now rural states artificially extra power.  These would be primarily the Senate, the Electoral College, and the difficulty getting an amendment, which tempts whomever has the power to ignore rule of law.  There is too much legislation from the bench.

I would say late Crisis is the time for amendments, which was after the Crisis war in the Industrial Age, this time around when the virus is solved.  An attempt is made to set the solutions to the Crisis in stone.  The attempt is often bypassed in the High though legislation from the bench.  For example, the Jim Crow court cases undid the Black Republican attempts to give blacks the benefits of human rights.

Easier said than done. Personally, I don't care if you slit your own throats and end up killing lots of your own people as a result. What liberals do themselves and do with their own doesn't matter to me anymore than what the Russians or the Chinese do today.  What you really need to do is file for a divorce from us and then do your own thing and tailor constitution to suit your own needs. I mean, it's going to happen one way or another eventually. I mean, the current financial arrangement that's keeping the country together won't last forever.

The divide is between population dense urban and suburban areas and population sparce rurals.  Both need each other.  Both produce things the other needs.  The problem is that the more population dense urban areas see problems that the rural areas don’t.  The rural folk don’t want to pay for solving problems they have not seen and are not familiar with.  I don’t blame them.  But if you do live in urban areas, if you do encounter these problems in every day life, you come to want to implement the obvious solutions to these solvable problems.  The old anti slavery compromises get in the way of doing this.

I remember traveling to Colorado Springs on business, and driving though the many miles of wide open space that you find there.  Beautiful wild country, and lots of it.  But on my trips, I occasionally ran into abandoned mine areas where the owners had just walked away and left everything to rot as is.  You can get away with that in Colorado.  If one area is blighted, there seems an abundance of areas that are not. 

You just can’t do that in Massachusetts.  There are too many idiots living close together.  If you let them get away with it, they would have quite ruined the state.  I don’t see the problem as being one size fits all, but you can see why (or at least I can see why) urban people apply urban standards to national problems.  Urban folk will try to impose their will on rural people and get resentment as a result.  I don’t see either side as being entirely wrong.

I don’t think a divorce makes sense economically.

But amendments which solidify how the Crisis was solved do come after the Crisis is solved.  You seem to be a more conservative and linear thinker, depreciating the necessary changes.  You seem reluctant to accept the conclusion of the S&H cyclical approach.  If you went through (expletive deleted) solving a Crisis, you don’t want it to repeat.  You try to write laws guaranteeing it will not repeat.  The worst sort of conservatives often find a way around it, the Jim Crows and the like, but you try.

Hopefully, the biggest contribution of S&H will be to suggest trying harder.  Whatever is written down ought to be made resistant to greedy robber barons and tribal thinking bigots.  Make the political judges legislating from the bench blatantly have to discredit themselves.

And the important thing is that even the conservatives are less conservative at the late stages of the Crisis.  The problem has through much blood, sweat and tears been put behind us.  Never Again.  The mood is different.  Other than trying to beef up the World Health Organization, I don’t know what exactly can be done, what lessons we will learn from all this.  If a country has elected poor leadership, the people die.  You can’t prevent that easily.  There will likely be a mood to not let the leaders ignore the science.  There will be an intolerance for lies and fantasies.  But other than getting rid of the slave compromises, I’m not sure how to write that into law.