The Partisan Divide on Issues

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(04-12-2020, 02:40 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(04-12-2020, 02:47 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(04-12-2020, 01:00 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I used my judgement like everyone else. Do you have a problem with that? I can't stand Rachel and the heavy barrage of criticism at the beginning turned me off. Now, you can put your words in my mouth and your beliefs in my head and fuck up like every idiot who did it before you and disappear like they did when life for them became more miserable and the integrity among the group was gone. I could hammer you with truthful terms that you don't like at anytime.

Truth would be nice.  Reports on your biases that blatantly contradict reality, no so much.  Integrity ought to start with yourself.

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A few more thoughts…

There was a time when the red might have been more of a force on the T4T forums.  September 11 was proposed as the Trigger, even if it was a bit early.  Bush 43 was proposed as the Grey Champion.  The War on Terror was a central idea.  The Great Debate was ‘stay the course’ against ‘cut and run’.  For a time, the conservatives were if not dominant were at least a significant force on the site.  It was easy to believe the red were winning.

I would not have associated the word ‘integrity’ with the Bush 43 administration.

The economic collapse, the international response to resist Neo colonialism, Obama’s election, pretty much ended all that as if it had never been.  I remember that time as a false regeneracy, a conservative attempt to play the Grey Champion role, a rejection of the attempt to actually implement the new ideals.  Most just want to forget that it ever happened, to look the other way when considering it’s role in history and in S&H turning theory.

Integrity by cutting and running was the response of many red posters.  They at least recognized they were wrong and vanished.  Since then, the site has been blue dominant.

I have lots of integrity and cold logic. Like I said, you should be careful about who you insult. I remember the old T4T forums when blues pretty much dominated every aspect of the forum. As I recall, the blues weren't very nice to other people and were pretty vicious and acted like a pack of wolves at the time.

Quote:Some people do not merit kid-gloves treatment. 

Quote:If I wasn't much of a fighter and incapable of defending myself, being down right mean and scary or lacked the courage and confidence to stand up for myself and defend others, I would have cut and run or bowed down or bowed out too. You see, the good/decent Christians aren't a good match for low life and shitheads.

Bullhist! Low-life types are to be found in all parts of the political spectrum. If you notice, liberals cut little slack for Harvey Weinstein when he was exposed as a serial rapist even if he had been generous in funding liberal causes. We do not have much sympathy for rogues who violate the public trust. Your side defends every seemingly every abuse on your side as something necessary because the 'target' is expendable. Maybe you forget what I had to say about a Democratic Congress-critter who was found to have bribes in his freezer. Despite being in what is usually a safe district for a Democrat and running for re-election during the Obama landslide of 2008, he was defeated. He was indicted, tried, and convicted. 

Being a good. decent Christian does not mean that one is a political or economic reactionary.   

Quote:Of coarse that changed when a REAL hardcore American who places no value on low life's and shitheads showed up and began seriously taking them to task the old fashioned way and gaining support among the locals who agreed and didn't like them very much either. It wasn't a pretty situation but we got the job done. What they recognized was they couldn't win without doing what I did which was allow myself to come to your level and kick some ass and knock some sense into peoples heads. Do you see many hardcore liberals other than yourselves?

I remember a fellow on the old Forum who told a fellow poster to commit suicide. I not only reported such egregious behavior; I warned the fellow to rescind that post and apologize.  He stood his ground and had his posting privileges deleted. 

Another fellow accused me of being a child-molesting homosexual because I was militantly for gay rights!* He pretended to be a fervent Christian, but I proved that a farce. My father had just lost his wife, and I wanted him to get involved in the life that he could not enjoy while he and I were taking care of her. I couldn't get him to re-connect to the Masonic Lodge that had been an important part of his life, but I could get him to go to church. 

Part of the church service is one in which people bring about their concerns about troublesome aspects of life such as health (their own or that of loved ones), marital stress, finances, or job insecurity. The youth pastor seemed to be doing nothing at the time, and I did not want to expose my situation on the web with that creep to everyone there. 

I brought my concern to him and I discussed the need to do the most honorable thing possible. I wasn't going to get a voodoo doll and stick pins in it; I did what I thought one of my heroes, Dr. Martin King would have done about a bigot who wanted to do harm to him. 

I was not going to deprecate homosexuality, because homosexuality is not a choice any more than is eye color or bone structure. Child sexual abuse? For that nobody gets off -- man-boy, man-girl, woman-girl, or woman-boy. This said, libel is a grave sin.

So what did we do? The youth pastor and I did not pray about me, as I wasn't the one with a problem about homosexuality. We decided to pray for my tormenter with the knowledge that I would put my use of prayer to God to change his ungodly ways of injustice, anger, and bigotry. The youth pastor also herd me say that I would mention my prayer on the web site in question. Yes -- we prayed for him so that he would turn from his wicked ways!

I regret to say that the prayer did not work. His heart hardened, and he called me a hypocritical f-- and told me that my prayer was worthless because I am allegedly a child-molesting homosexual. But he did not last long on that Forum. I had given him one more chance than he probably deserved. But who knows? Maybe he would have come to recognize an act of Christian charity.   

*I became militantly for gay rights once I was threatened with a gay-bashing... on the conservative position that whatever fostered respect for homosexuals would make the world safer. How does that go? Without law and order, all the enumerated rights of Man are but cant.