The Partisan Divide on Issues

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(04-13-2020, 05:04 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(04-13-2020, 03:22 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(04-13-2020, 02:16 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Nope. I'm not used to communicating with a robot that's been programmed with a scientific world view and a theory to use to advance an ideology associated with the former Soviet Union that China is now benefiting from today.

I thought so.  You are clearly an ideologue and don’t know how to handle someone who is focused on learning from reality.

You also are not speaking truth, again, showing your lack of integrity.  The old meme, saying all Democrats are Communist going with the opposite all Republicans are Fascists have been left behind even by most American extremist ideologues.  Even the communists don’t believe in communism anymore.  Communism has been replaced by an odd hybrid of capitalists running the equivalent of corporations and autocrats dominating the government.  My arrow of progress suggests even more change is coming.  Thus, I am not advocating for the long dead system of government.  

Your ideology is quite obsolete and inaccurate.  Anyone who is paying the least attention to what I say would know that.  But that suggests that you care about reality not your ideology.  This again counts as spouting ideology and ignoring reality, which I already warned you is not effective against the scientific mind.

I'm aligned with an American based ideology but I'm not an ideologue as you claim. I'm not a Neo Conservative or a Neo Liberal. I'm not a compassionate conservative or a bleeding heart liberal. I'm not a born again Christian/Evangelical  or a devoted agnostic or atheist. I'm not a Marxist Communist or a Marxist Fascist. I don't have a preference for any particular group associated with the Democratic Party these days. I'm a Classical Liberal or small r Republican who believes in free and fair trade who wouldn't have signed the trade deals that gutted the country. Do we need New England for anything other than its historical significance and as an ally during times of world war like Canada? Now, you live in a region that's way more populated than Canada and way smaller than Canada land mass wise.

You are welcome to state that you are an American. You are not welcome to assert that whatever differs from you, to the extent that it differs from you, is not American. Yes, you really are an ideologue in the sense that someone who drinks large amounts of alcoholic beverages often is an alcoholic despite claims to the contrary. I do not question that evangelical or fundamentalist Christians in America are American if they say that they are American. On the other hand, the Nation of Islam is just as American as you or I.

I accept that you are not a Marxist -- but the mirror-image Marxist, the sort of person who accepts that capitalism is by necessity a cruel and inequitable order capable only of enriching and indulging elites, and disagreeing with honest-to-Lenin (or Trotsky, Stalin, Mao, Hoxha, or Pol Pot -- Yuck!) commies only in endorsing what Commies see wrong with capitalism. 

I am a liberal with some conservative tendencies on law and order, drugs, and educational content... but I feel some sorrow about conservatives who have found themselves out in the cold in American politics because the Republican Party has gone from a small-government group whose low-tax and free-enterprise stances favor small business. The GOP has become a right-wing Big Government party that no longer recognizes the validity of reason and education.

As for New England -- New England settlers established much of what is American, with descendants of those settlers moving generally west with the southern border of their mass settlement roughly the path of Interstate 80; although New England is no longer a WASP preserve the people who moved in adopted New England institutions and practices other than religion and cuisine as they replaced New Englanders headed west to places such as Rochester, Buffalo, Cleveland, Grand Rapids, Chicago, Minneapolis-St. Paul, Omaha, Salt Lake City, San Francisco, and Seattle.  Two of their earliest establishments were Harvard University (1636!) and the General Curt of Massachusetts, from its inception an elected, deliberative body... and the oldest continuous such institution in the world.