The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Bob Butler 54]

(04-14-2020, 04:45 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Are you sure that you aren't/haven't been pursuing a Marxist agenda? You sure seem like you have been doing it to me.

Quite sure.  Again, socialist is a word with many different definitions.  Democratic Socialists like those you find in western Europe or Bernie are quite different from socialist in name only such as the Communists wound up.  Bernie is socialist in that he believes the government should serve the people.  You would have a hard time arguing with that.  Marxism evolved in practice to the government serving the members of the government, their elites.  That is quite different.  I prefer systems which favor the People, like human rights, like multi party democracy, dislike the extreme division of wealth.

I don’t like to use the word socialist as there is too much confusion as to its meaning these days, but I do believe the government should serve the People rather than the elites.

I do see the European diversions into fascism and communism as their attempt to maintain the autocracy of the hereditary nobility with the advantages from allowing the advance of technology.  They also kept the tendency to start wars whenever they thought they had the advantage, to gather resources using military force.  This last ended only with nukes.

These diversions never took place in the new world’s northern hemisphere.  Oh, a few elites flirted with the fascist leaders.  As came out in McCarthy’s time, quite a few thinking folks had thought the capitalist and democratic system had failed, and the evils of the Gilded Age and Great Depression proved the need for a revolution.  I just think they were wrong.  The New Deal leading into the progressive era is proof they were wrong, but I don’t blame them for working in the People’s direction.  The Gilded Age and Great Depression were ugly.  It was easy to perceive the system as not working.

Now none of this is new.  If you had bothered to read what I have actually said you would know this.  My views har hardly hidden from regular members of the forum.  Instead you are locked into your ideology, and believe what your ideology has to say about liberals.  If your ideology says something, it must be true?  Um.  You have just proven your ideology is garbage.  We will have to see if you are a true ideologue.  Can you learn from reality, or will you stick to a fixed system which is known to be flawed?

I am more with Will Rodgers and his famous quote.  “I am not a member of any organized political party.  I’m a Democrat.”  It is an old quote, but still true enough.  There is a diverse number of views represented under their big tent.  Any claim that they are all pulling in any one direction almost has to be wrong.