The Partisan Divide on Issues

[David Horn]

(04-16-2020, 03:24 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(04-16-2020, 10:09 AM)David Horn Wrote: Actually, the greatest harm started long after the ACW was over.  Much happened in the South (KKK and all that), but the North wasn't blameless.  Let's take redlining as a good example.  If you were not-white, you couldn't get a mortgage in a good neighborhood, and, in most places, no one would sell you a house in one anyway.  So blacks, Latinos and other minorities got pushed into bad neighborhoods and high cost mortgages. Continue this practice for three generations, and you've bled those groups of any assets they may have accumulated.  That was the dominant condition.  Some escaped, but not many.  Whites, on the other hand, got the good deals all along, and made a quantum leap after WW-II with the GI Bill.  Veterans mortgages were unavailable to blacks in almost the entire country.

So yes, you and your forbearers contributed -- knowingly or not --to the mess that exists.

You don't think life as a slave with no rights at all was worse than life as a black person with rights during Jim Crow or life as a black person that has same rights as everyone else today. Like I said, the Democratic probably has something to feel guilty about since the Democrats  were the ones running the show domestically for well over a century ( Pre- Civil War through post Jim Crow). I'm not a Democrat and have never been a Democrat.  Right now, we (the country) have four classes black people like the white people and both races have an underclass too these days. How are you going to win an ideological argument with me/us with so much proof of advancement among blacks these days? So, who is the ideologue and who isn't? You might be guilty and have something to feel guilty about relating it but I don't. I'd say all the races are about the same in that regard.

So your counter argument is: things were worse in the distant past, so bad things aren't important today?  And yes, it was the Southern Democrats who made Jim Crow work -- until LBJ.  After that it was the GOP in the South and North, not that party politics has a bearing here.  It was a culture-wide phenomenon, and a lot of people got hurt, just not white people.  It will take along time to rebalance that error, but it's not surprising at all that the people still affected by it are getting antsy.

So saying that there are poor whites doesn't cut it.  Of course there are, but it's the extent of the damage that's the issue.  If 10% of whites are below the poverty line, while it's 25% of the black community, that's a societal hurt that 's been inflicted, not just laziness or bad attitude.  FWIW, I'm good with lifting up everyone.  There will be a lot of need soon, when the COVID-19 Depression ends, and the damage is devastating.