The Partisan Divide on Issues

[David Horn]

(04-17-2020, 06:12 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(04-17-2020, 04:24 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(04-17-2020, 03:09 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(04-17-2020, 09:53 AM)David Horn Wrote: So your counter argument is: things were worse in the distant past, so bad things aren't important today?  And yes, it was the Southern Democrats who made Jim Crow work -- until LBJ.  After that it was the GOP in the South and North, not that party politics has a bearing here.  It was a culture-wide phenomenon, and a lot of people got hurt, just not white people.  It will take along time to rebalance that error, but it's not surprising at all that the people still affected by it are getting antsy.

So saying that there are poor whites doesn't cut it.  Of course there are, but it's the extent of the damage that's the issue.  If 10% of whites are below the poverty line, while it's 25% of the black community, that's a societal hurt that 's been inflicted, not just laziness or bad attitude.  FWIW, I'm good with lifting up everyone.  There will be a lot of need soon, when the COVID-19 Depression ends, and the damage is devastating.

The whites have more people living below the poverty line than the blacks do right now. My point is that there are no more slaves or southern confederates that exist today. We still have some slaves but they're associated with illegal/criminal l activity referred to a illegal human trafficking that's directly associated with illegal immigration. I don't live in the past. You can bring it up and call us racist or meanies for disagreeing, not feeling guilty and not supporting slave retribution these days.

If I take your argument to its extreme, If a town has 10 black families, and 5 of those families are in poverty, they are less tragic than the 8 white families in the same straits, even though there are 2,000 white families.

If a town has 10 black families and 5 black families are in poverty then I'd say that there is a very distinct difference between the black families that live in the town. I'd also say that race/racism isn't the issue in the town since the town has five black families who are making it and living there. What makes the five black ones more tragic/important  than the eight white ones who aren't making it these days? Is it slavery or Jim Crow Laws or most likely something else unrelated like a change in preferred lifestyle or addiction or mental health issues or distinct departures from social norms and rejection of social norms. So, do you still think I'm an ideologue and you're not one or a better one at this point? They say that it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks. I would say that's hard to do with old ideologues like yourself too.

There are always a few who succeed against all odds -- white, black, gay or straight.  By no means should Arthur Ashe have been able to play world-class tennis when he did. Talent and luck prevailed.  Yet I noticed that you didn't raise the argument that the white families should have made it if the 2,000 others did.  Because there are reasons some fail -- illness being the most common, but getting on the wrong side of someone powerful is pretty common too.  That's been the case of blacks since the introduction of slavery, but that doesn't exempt members of other categories from the same -- even White Anglo-Saxon Protestants.