The Partisan Divide on Issues

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(04-22-2020, 11:24 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(04-22-2020, 01:39 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(04-22-2020, 01:17 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: At this point, I'd be more likely to say it's the trigger or initial cause and say that we are now entering the 4T. In my opinion, big government hasn't done a very good job up to this point.

I would go further.  I would say the economic thinking daydream believers who ignore science when they don’t want to believe a problem exists failed miserably and are still protesting to make the disaster more complete.  

I think you see the Coronavirus well enough, but you are still unwilling to see, say, global warming.  It is not quick enough.  I does not force itself on you as much as the virus does.  Some see neither, but stand ready to ignore the science, to cry hoax or fake news and do nothing.  They won’t until the scale of the disaster is of the Atlanta or Berlin scale.  I don’t think the rest of us want to let it get that big.

In case you aren't aware, we have a compound crisis that's going on right now. I think we are all aware that COVID19 exists and the threat that it represents to the lives of some people. The liberals seem to be stuck on the COVID19 crisis and not paying as much attention to the growing economic related crisis that's going to financially cripple some states and cause all kinds of problems. Personally, I don't care if you go to your graves with your blindfolds on and blame us with your final breaths.

We have the looming End of Scarcity in which further industrial production cannot lead to improvement in people's lives, and this ensures that people will not work as many hours to produce basic human needs. More income can at best go into experiences if those are available, into more government expenditures without production of tangible goods (as in education), paying off debts, waste, war, or elite indulgence. Over the last forty years the American economy has trended in the latter direction. That may have been close to running its course.

COVID-19 is a huge disruption of the American economy. We had to choose between reduced economic activity with consequent losses of jobs, income, and tax revenues to avoid even more mass death. Mass death at a certain level creates a huge number ov vacant buildings, huge drops in real-estate valuations, huge cuts in property-tax collections, mortgages becoming uncollectable, unused infrastructure with high maintenance costs, and huge gaps in people capable of doing certain jobs. If you want to know what a city with large tracts of vacant and abandoned buildings is like, then just look at Detroit. Several million people dying from a plague could have such an effect. Worst hit would be the newest, outlying suburbs as renters in such places move closer to downtown to reduce commutes.

Quote:According to science, the State of Minnesota was covered by a thick sheet of glacial ice at one time. According to science, the deserts of Africa and the Middle East were fertile plains at one time and portions of sunken ancient cities were above water at one time too. According to science, the continents used to be one gigantic land mass at one time as well. I referred to the issue of global warming as climate change before climate change became the issue. Also, according to science, China is still twice as bad as us right now. You can't blame us for China.

You have your times mixed up; the Ice Age is well attested; the "Green Sahara" is shown to have happened when the sunreached its most northerly point on the ecliptic was closer to the perigee (summers were hotter and shorter in the northern hemisphere, so the summer rains got farther north, but winters were colder and longer, so Mediterranean storms dipped further south in the winter). During the coldest parts of the Ice Age, sea levels were lower -- but there were no large cities.

After COVID-19  may come the Singularity in which machines are capable of outperforming us intellectually. Around 2100, global ming has the potential to unleash huge amounts of water from Antarctic ice which will result in the inundation of much prime farm land.