The Partisan Divide on Issues

[pbrower2a]

(06-12-2020, 06:56 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(06-12-2020, 05:45 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(06-12-2020, 01:11 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I doubt the KKK and the Neo Nazi's have much interest in supporting a Northern Republican/Yankee   who has   a Jewish daughter, a Jewish son in law,  Jewish grand kids and an immigrant wife. Trump is basically  staying true to his American bases.  Like I said, the racist white groups aren't   much different than the racist  liberal groups these days.  I'm sure that a bunch of mindless blue idiots would agree with your views and ignore the existence of all the racists and the racist believers that we hear/see these days and a bunch of Trump haters would go along with them too. How many American people are into looting, rioting, street justice, mob rule, courts of public opinion and other stuff associated with third world politics and ignorance? What you don't seem to grasp is that the bulk of us can read and aren't associated with poverty and don't want anything to do with the liberals, their cities, their problems, the bulk of their social programs or their low end politics. In short, what we've seen lately isn't viewed by us as being our problem. The Republicans understands that about us which is why the party has decided to remain idle and leave it to the Democrats to figure out themselves. You may as well get used to the idea of Republican America not getting directly involved with Democratic issues.

I have long seen the Republican Party as having racist and elitist elements.  The Tea Party did a decent job of rejecting the elite element.  Establishment Republicans really had a hard time getting near the White House last time around.  The recent protests are going after the racist elements.  Racism, violence and murder are being rejected hard.

If these two elements are both removed, that is a win from your perspective, I would think.  The small government, low taxes, ignore problems aspect remains, but has gone well past the point of diminishing returns.  Still, that is part of the traditional divide, almost respectable when compared to the elitist and racist tendencies.  It will cycle back and forth, government doing most with the crisis heart, then that fades down with the cycles though the unraveling.

But what you are seeing is one aspect of red culture going away, becoming less dominant, be it one aspect I suspect neither of us respect.

I view the KKK and Neo Nazi's as minor problems compared the problems that we've seen recently and seen not so long ago and seen decades earlier in other places. I could be wrong but it appears that the Democratic/ liberal side has way more radicals who are into participating large scale violence and destroying private/public  property that impact way more  lives than those carried out by  the KKK and Neo Nazi's combined these days.

When powerless, Klansmen and neo-Nazis are usually nuisances unless they commit some outrageous hate crime. But note well that the original Nazis were nothing more than a nuisance to Jewish Germans (Jews long domiciled in Germany had fully assimilated into German culture, making contributions to German culture and commerce that had nothing to do with Judaism)... until the Nazis took power. Then the Nazis went from inconvenience to degradation to personal ruin to extermination. Modern antisemitism is racist above all else, and a menace to other minorities has never looked good to Jews.  

The 1915 Ku Klux Klan, founded before Fascismo in Italy and the NSDAP in Germany, expressed hatred for Jews from its inception. The 1915 Klan is in some ways the first fascists, being fascists before Mussolini and Hitler started their sick causes.  To be sure there has been no national Klan since 1942 when the 1915 Klan disbanded as the federal government hounded it for tax fraud (I wonder why -- the Klan had too much in common with Nazis to seem innocuous), but post-WWII Klan groups have never given Jews any cause for comfort. 

Although Klan violence has been primarily against blacks, individual Klansmen have committed horrific outrages against real and imagined Jews. One ex-Klansman has exposed that the Klan attracts many sociopaths and psychopaths who trivialize the value of human life of any kind  and find Klan ideology attractive for its potential. At one time, Klan groups had an antipathy for Nazism because Nazism was exotic for being German and objectionable for being anti-American That reflected a time when Klan groups had World War II veterans who harbored hatred for Nazis for what they did in war. Besides, the Nazis used rhetoric that Klansmen could never understand and had a focus upon Jews instead of upon the focus that Kluxist had for domination and abuse. You know who. Younger Klansmen have found Nazi racial ideas, including the concept of "Aryan" superiority, compatible. 

Jewish Germans were the definitive example of a model minority before 1933. Then they became pariahs whose condition kept getting increasingly bad until the Nazis chose to exterminate them.  If one is an American Jew does one have any cause to expect anything different with the KKK? The only difference that I can see between the Klan and the Nazis is that the Nazis would be more tolerant of my taste in music, except when it comes to Felix Mendelssohn, Gustav Mahler, George Gershwin, and Aaron Copland.  I'm guessing that Klansmen listen largely to country music, which is light in structural merit and philosophical allusions.

I will take the side of the Jews against the Klan and Nazis. 

Quote:However, I'm not going to be surprised when a bunch of radical liberals are either blown up or gunned down by some Neo Nazi or a group of Neo Nazi's. I'll be the first to point it out to you and every other liberal here and say I told you so. Hell, I may even decide to really  rub your nose in it and add insult to injury. As a general rule, I won't go that low but I will make an exception and go that low with you and every liberal who hasn't learned to think before they blurt something that comes across as clueless liberal and automatically accuse or broad brush like clueless liberals do and so forth.

Any group or clique that fosters murderous hatred deserves to be harassed, if not outlawed. So it is with "hate whitey" groups that most blacks recognize as disreputable rogues. People associated with Klan, neo-Confederate, and Nazi ideology have killed with race or religion as motivation. Example:

This troubled man turned his hard life into a pretext for murders and bombings.


KKK, Nazis, and the National States Rights Party (once a vehicle for the 1948 Presidential campaign of  Strom Thurmond, but since abandoned by all but the neo-fascist American Right. A hint: James Earl Ray, assassin of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., was one of its few members in 1968.

What a Jewish teenager (it was not Anne Frank, by the way) said of a neo-Nazi 

"What have we ever done to deserve to be beaten, robbed, and killed?"

applies to the whole of Humanity. It may not be possible to prevent the horrors that you see possible by timely action, basically having a cop everywhere to arrest someone like Joseph Paul Franklin  before he can kill someone. Franklin was eventually convicted for one of his racist murders (it was of a Jew, but note well that Nazi antisemitism is racist above all else). I understand the racist abyss as well as anyone who is not a part of it; after all, absolute evil is absolutely fascinating even if it is abominable. I have had encounters on the Web with people who accused me of being Jewish (which is an ironic compliment since I admire plenty of Jews for their stellar achievements and for having never persecuted my Huguenot, Quaker, and Mennonite -- perhaps also Hussite ancestors) and have told me that the Holocaust never happened but that they would like it to happen to so filthy a Jew as me. To this I say "I would rather be a Jew than you", and "if I had to choose between being a Nazi and a Jew I would be a Jew,  because Judaism would compromise neither my moral values nor my cultural preferences.

We liberals are not clueless about fascistic evil. We are the antithesis of anti-human fascist causes. As Eric Hoffer put it: 

"The opposite of a raging fascist is not a raging Communist. The opposite of a raging fascist is a sober liberal." 

But even at that, there is nothing conservative about any genocidal manifestation of fascist ideology.