The Partisan Divide on Issues

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(06-12-2020, 01:11 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(06-11-2020, 09:51 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(06-11-2020, 07:54 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Ain't much of struggle between the so called partisan divide  at this point with Red America remaining  neutral for the most part at this point while  whatever partisan divide or cultural rift that still exists within blue America is being settled. What you've been  watching and seeing lately mainly pertains to blue America these days with the other side waiting to see which side of the blue divide prevails as the victor. I hate to say this but if your side doesn't have the balls to control a bunch of radicals  nuts and a bunch criminals then you and every other clueless fool who posts here are going to get a taste of what it was like to live in the wild west. That  seems to be the direction that the nuts and the criminals want to take blue America at this point and the liberal Democrats seem more eager to appease and cater to their demands then stop them at this point.

The looters and the Bugaboo Bois seem to be fading somewhat.  They seem to be giving up the stage.  Perhaps the few incidents where the protesters turned the violent over to the police contributed, but the protesters have been on center stage alone for the last few days.  The curfews have mostly been dropped, decriminalizing assembly and partitioning for the right of grievances and putting the onus on stopping to the violence on the too violent police.

I have always thought of the reds having a racist element, one that they generally do not push hard, but which Trump by encouraging the KKK, the Neo Nazi, the racist police, and using the military against the American people, has cashed in on.  I suspect the the vehemence of the current protest is in part a reaction against the red resonance with racist attitudes.

But with the exception of Trump and the White House administration, the red celebration of racism seems to have stepped back down in the last few weeks.  Like, when one of the recent protests takes shape, you don’t see the KKK or the Neo Nazi counter demonstrating in favor of racism.  At the moment the voice of the people is for all men being equal under law, and this has taken a crisis heart intensity of resolve.  Well might the reds, Republicans, violent police unions, KKK and Neo Nazi make themselves scarce just now.  If the civics are finally following S&H’s call to redefine what will be acceptable after the crisis, thank you, and it is about time.  If they would only show as strong a reaction against those that ignore the isolation guidelines.

But I see it as the people taking the lead and the Democrats attempting to jump on the bandwagon.  The Republican seem caught between the bandwagon and keeping the racist vote, and thus as you say are pretty much sitting this one out.  They don’t seem to see the culture changing as much of the racist culture is being submerged.

I doubt the KKK and the Neo Nazi's have much interest in supporting a Northern Republican/Yankee   who has   a Jewish daughter, a Jewish son in law,  Jewish grand kids and an immigrant wife. Trump is basically  staying true to his American bases.

Donald Trump sows the whirlwind of chaos which extremists seek to exploit. As a political naif he fails to recognize the damage that he does. For that he is useful to some of the worst figures in American political life. 

Quote:Like I said, the racist white groups aren't much different than the racist  liberal groups these days.

I dare you -- I double-dog dare you -- no I triple-dog dare you with a wolverine on the side -- to name such a group. 

Quote:I'm sure that a bunch of mindless blue idiots would agree with your views and ignore the existence of all the racists and the racist believers that we hear/see these days and a bunch of Trump haters would go along with them too.

Black Lives Matters is a legitimate cause. Looting, property destruction, and assaults are not legitimate means of protest. Cameras originally taken to demonstrations to make video of police brutality have taken video of looting, arson, and assaults by outlaws who exploited lawful and peaceful protests. I trust that the legal system will recognize that looting a store is not a legitimate deed. Black Live Matters is not about 'liberating' liquor from a store. 
 

Quote:How many American people are into looting, rioting, street justice, mob rule, courts of public opinion and other stuff associated with third world politics and ignorance?

Don't knock the Third World; it has plenty of good people and some surprising sophistication in culture. If a country like Russia were to imitate the politics of Botswana, then that would be a huge improvement. I have no problem with the rule of law, which itself implies the need for a civil society in which property and persons get respect -- or else. In such case, "or else" means prison time.  

Quote:What you don't seem to grasp is that the bulk of us can read and aren't associated with poverty and don't want anything to do with the liberals, their cities, their problems, the bulk of their social programs or their low end politics.

You hypocrite. You live near a big city and the prosperity that that city allows to flow into your suburb! You fail to recognize that unlike the white middle class that makes practically no efforts to aid white people left behind in American progress, middle-class blacks and Hispanics try to make life better for poor people of their ethnicity. We liberals want to be involved in poverty -- to ameliorate it if we cannot end it.  That means social programs. For real low-end politics (aside from personal corruption which is never something upon which any politician campaigns) just look at Donald Trump, to scammers offering conspiracy theories, and to politicians who believe that no human suffering is ever in excess so long as such misery results in the power, indulgence, or gain of economic elites. Mirror-image Marxism such as what Trump promotes  differs from Marxism only in endorsing what Marxists excoriate.     

Quote:In short, what we've seen lately isn't viewed by us as being our problem. The Republicans understand that about us which is why the party has decided to remain idle and leave it to the Democrats to figure out themselves. You may as well get used to the idea of Republican America not getting directly involved with Democratic issues.

  
Republican politicians have typically been utterly clueless about the situation. Donald Trump is the prime exemplar of the Dunning-Kruger effect in which people of superficial knowledge get a few cranky ideas and think themselves wiser and more adept than the recognized experts. Give them some more legitimate knowledge and they are humbled. 

Don't forget: President Trump even got COVID-19 wrong -- almost all wrong.