The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Bob Butler 54]

(06-21-2020, 07:43 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(06-21-2020, 01:45 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: You forget that the Nazi's/fascists were a radical Leftist group too so you may as well add them to the mix competing for power on today's Left as well. I mean, all idiots like you and others here are doing is perpetuating and feeding ignorance and increasing the risk of greater violence and burning more bridges with the American right.

They may be ex-Leftists who found out that selling out the working class to tycoons and large land-owners is more lucrative than sticking with left-wing causes. But that said, they are ex-Leftists. They may be rogues too extreme or violent for Socialists who may prefer to work within the system by seeking votes and parliamentary seats instead of revolution.  Want to see the sparks fly? Pit social democrats against Commies. The social democrats want nothing to do with the "dictatorship of the proletariat". 

Take note that the Far Right is far more likely to adopt the revolutionary rhetoric of the Far Left in an effort to pull off some socialists who don;t think enough to recognize the deviation from the more conventional socialists. Fascists often offer the "vertical trade union" in which everyone in the same industry has a common interest for being in mining, agriculture, vehicle manufacture, retailing, banking, etc. Thus a steelworker supposedly has more in common with the tycoon who owns the steel mill than with the lumberjack in the wood-products business.  (In practice, the only way for such to work is for the tycoons and executives to wield even more crushing power than one would expect in a broadly-libertarian society. Such is fascist corporatism, and it inevitably works well for economic elites than for workers. 

Classic X'er, you do not fully understand extremist politics. You fail to recognize the dangers of extremism, Left and Right, and you conflate moderate Leftists like me with Josef Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Pol Pot.

I you include the Ages of Civilization pattern, an autocratic dictatorship, regardless of whether you call them left or right, is from the Agricultural Age.  Given the arrow of progress, and how the dictators are generally opposed to human rights, equality and democracy, the Ages perspective is far more pertinent than the left - right squabbling that goes into any Industrial Age society.

But Classic has to defend his worldview somehow.  You wouldn't want to make him think for himself, would you?  As is typical of red partisans there are certain aspects of reality that are walled out from comprehension.  Busting through is nigh on impossible.

I would like to say the blue are different, but both are partisan ideological political systems, and the idea of checking against reality and revising a theory to match realty is under the purview of scientific world views...