The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Eric the Green]

(06-24-2020, 11:59 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(06-24-2020, 05:34 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(06-20-2020, 06:21 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Boy are you way off track with the your understanding of the RW, 2nd Amendment folks and what it is that gets them all up in arms these days? Nope, they're weren't your typical light security mall cops like the liberal Democrats seem prefer and want to replace most of our city cops with these days. Those were our kind of our RW cops that a couple of your LW radicals gunned down in cold blood that caught the attention of the FBI who as we know as concerned about stepping up and doing the job that liberal Democrats either willingly refuse to do or afraid to do due to their relatively close political ties with the Left these day or fears of their cozy blue being basically over run and looted those we seen on TV. Right now, the American right is still recognized as being the authority and the upholders of American law and defenders of the US Constitution, American establishment and all its people/citizens and it's government. In all the years of of us posting, I've rarely seen an American view, an American position or an understanding or an acceptance or an embrace of American values and the American way of life. Whether we split or go to war and  take part in a major bloodbath is largely on the Democrats ability to keep the peace and resolve their major problems. You don't speak for me or  the American government. You speak for yourself, the Left and the kind of government that the Left prefers to have instead of ours and once that becomes apparent to most Americans these days, the more we are going see more of what we've seen taking place (the spirals of large scale violence) in blue cities since Obama entered his second term in office and tried to move America backwards to a time when the big government related Democrats/ the old social conservative Democrats  pretty much called the shots.

I'm not at all clear on what your last long sentence is predicting, exactly.

You talk about American this and American that, but I would like to see you define just what being "American" means to you. 

What is the "American" law, establishment, view, position, values, way of life or government?

I'll put it to you this way. America has got an army of its own, a flag of it's own, a nation/republic of its own, a Constitutional government of its own, an economic system of its own  and there is nothing that people like you can do about that unless you are willing to start a war with America and experience what it was like for those who were dumb enough to do it before you. In short, we'll crush you and there's nothing your movie stars, TV show hosts, Obamacrats, Bernie Bro's. musician's, artists, radical leftist groups can do or say at that point to stop us from crushing you.

I thinks it's funny that you are asking me what American means to me when I've been showing you what it means to me and showing you the power associated with being an American and defeating you with the freedoms and rights  that all Americans have these days for the last fifteen years. Right now, half the country is more like me than you and half the Democratic party would prefer someone more like me than most of their politicians or someone like you. That's how messed up that Democratic party is right now.

Well thanks for trying to answer my question, at least. After 15 years, your version of "America" is still rather vague, and I don't think you have sufficiently distinguished what you mean by America from what I and other lefties mean by it. Yes, the USA (as I prefer to call it) has an army, a flag, a nation, a republic, a constitution and an economic system. We don't question the existence of these things. We need those things. But we think that the real America is one that is willing to grow, progress and change to make it better for all its citizens, not just for the privileged view that your side favors.

That constitution permits us to burn that flag in protest if we want. Even your guy Scalia said so. That constitution can be amended, and has been a number of times. I would support abolishing the Second, and you would not. That is a perfectly constitutional question. Our economic system is fine and brings prosperity as long as it is reformed, regulated, taxed and supplemented with social programs and state enterprises, as it has always been. I may disagree with your Reaganomics program of dismantling much of this, but much still survives, and can be brought back, so that our economic system is fair and enables opportunity for all, instead of allowing a few to hog all the riches and despoil our land, seas and air.

And we lefties don't want to disband the army, but we want an end to needless imperial interventions like those in Vietnam and Iraq, or today's support for bin Salman's attacks on Yemen. We support the right of protest against unnecessary and immoral USA war policies, and your side does not. What "America" means to you guys is to crush and stop any dissent or any movement to make America more of what it is supposed to be, as stated in our Declaration, our Constitution, Lincoln's Gettysburg address, FDR's 4 freedoms, Martin Luther King Jr.'s Dream, etc. That is what "America" means to you: an America that stands pat. Your side screams at Jane Fonda and brings guns to god bless america rallies. It wants to bring confederate flags to them too, while our side considers the Confederacy to be a failed and immoral uprising by racist traitors.

America is a great country, and the republic is great. Nevertheless, the USA has some original sins. Slavery and white supremacy is embedded in our election and government system, and its heritage remains. Our conquest of Native peoples was not fair or just. Our rape of the land and environment was catastrophic. Our imperial wars left scars upon our nation and its people. Working people have often been exploited and cheated. America is an unfinished project, not a set of established powers and follies to maintain. The real America is the one that is willing to grow and change with the times and aspire to be even greater than it is now, not to return to some never-existing nation from the past.