The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Classic-Xer]

(06-25-2020, 07:11 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(06-25-2020, 02:11 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(06-25-2020, 12:31 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(06-24-2020, 11:59 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I'll put it to you this way. America has got an army of its own, a flag of it's own, a nation/republic of its own, a Constitutional government of its own, an economic system of its own  and there is nothing that people like you can do about that unless you are willing to start a war with America and experience what it was like for those who were dumb enough to do it before you. In short, we'll crush you and there's nothing your movie stars, TV show hosts, Obamacrats, Bernie Bro's. musician's, artists, radical leftist groups can do or say at that point to stop us from crushing you.

I thinks it's funny that you are asking me what American means to me when I've been showing you what it means to me and showing you the power associated with being an American and defeating you with the freedoms and rights  that all Americans have these days for the last fifteen years. Right now, half the country is more like me than you and half the Democratic party would prefer someone more like me than most of their politicians or someone like you. That's how messed up that Democratic party is right now.

Um.  Did you notice that in prior crises it was the progressive new values that triumphed, and when racism was involved it lost?

I know the S&H theory.  It is your perspective that you should be explaining.  Same thing, I guess.  You just identify so much with the old values that you fail to understand or accept the new.

Um...Maybe, just maybe, you should pull your head out of your ass and listen to what a fellow Yankee has to say about you and the Democratic party these days. The Democratic party can no longer own or whip their blacks or hang their blacks or support groups that terrorize their blacks or support their cops who beat their blacks or discriminate against blacks like they could in the past. The Republican side put an end to all of it. As far as progressives prevailing, you better come to grips with what the term progressive or Marxism is associated with today. Yep. The new USSR managed to survive about 4 score and seven years which is much longer than the Third Reich survived. The new democratic version of the new USSR that most of western Europe and a portion of America embraced  after World War II  is now approaching four score and seven as well.

Well, here is how the Parties have changed. I do not see it as coincidence that despite huge differences in curricula vitae  between them that Obama and Eisenhower could win elections that better resemble each other's than any others. (OK, Ike won much that Herbert Hoover won in the landslide win of the latter in 1928). The difference between a great general and a keen legal mind may be less than one thinks. 

The political cultures of the various states have not changed much, but the partisan identity of the states often has. What used to be the states of core racism have gone Republican while states once reliably Republican in all but Democratic blowouts are now the opposite. Is the map perfect? No. It does not show the intensity of the match in both cases. Even so:

 I suggest this thread for contrasting elections or sets of elections. We can show, for example, how states trend. In this case I suggest that  even if the partisan identities of the states are almost opposite in the elections involving Eisenhower and Obama, the blocks of states involved suggest that Ike and Obama got (and lost) many of the key constituencies in their elections. This, if you are aware of my posting history, is one of my favorite contrasts. 

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When all is said and done, I think that the Obama and Eisenhower Presidencies are going to look like good analogues. Both Presidents are chilly rationalists. Both are practically scandal-free administrations. Both started with a troublesome war that both found their way out of. Neither did much to 'grow' the strength of their Parties in either House of Congress. To compare ISIS to Fidel Castro is completely unfair to Fidel Castro, a gentleman by contrast to ISIS. 

The definitive moderate Republican may have been Dwight Eisenhower, and I have heard plenty of Democrats praise the Eisenhower Presidency. He went along with Supreme Court rulings that outlawed segregationist practices, stayed clear of the McCarthy bandwagon, and let McCarthy implode.


 
gray -- did not vote in 1952 or 1956
white -- Eisenhower twice, Obama twice
deep blue -- Republican all four elections
light blue -- Republican all but 2012 (I assume that greater Omaha went for Ike twice)
light green -- Eisenhower once, Stevenson once, Obama never
dark green -- Stevenson twice, Obama never
pink -- Stevenson twice, Obama once 

No state voted Democratic all four times, so no state is in deep red. 

...if you wonder about Tennessee, then eastern Tennessee has been firmly R in most elections since the Civil War. Western Tennessee was firmly on the Confederate side in the Civil War, but eastern Tennessee had no desire to defend the plantation way of life in western Tennessee.

You can say what you want about Obama but there is a major difference between a great general with chest full of merits who was in charge of winning the war in Europe and a small time lawyer working as a community organizer who sued and threatened people that he and others associated with racism or exploitation for a living and served a short stint as a Senator of a heavy blue state prior to becoming President of the United States.