The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Bob Butler 54]

(07-07-2020, 11:07 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: So, how should a partisan/patriotic/ God believing American act these days? Are you God? Are you dumb enough to tell me how to act? You are as partisan as he is, you just try to make it seem like you're not at times for your own sake. You're not listening to me. You probably should but you're not. You're to busy picking on absent Klan members or Neo Nazi members or White Supremacists in general and associating me with them as thousands of Leftists are burning down portions of cities and destroying people lives and killing people and tearing down American monuments and attacking American law enforcement like crazy. IF YOU WANT LAWLESS WE"LL GIVE YOU LAWLESSNESS AND KILL EVERY FUCKING ONE OF YOU AND SHIP WHAT"S LEFT OF THE SURVIVORS TO A MUCH NASTIER PLACE TO LIVE AND NEVER FORGET HOW BAD LIVING IN HELL IS.

Well, first I don’t want lawlessness. You are the one who keeps threatening violence and lawlessness. It shows you lie and do not listen.

Second, you are the coward still obsessed with violence as to make empty threats, not me.

Third, I can make suggestions, but I hardly think you will listen. Why should I expect you to start now? You are too partisan, too locked into your perspective, too incapable of change. I would as soon try to make Eric give up astrology. I’d have as good a chance at success.

Fourth…. That is the debatable one. I hold there to be much distinction between a scientific mind set, and a partisan political one. The primary difference is checking a scientific system against reality, and if they don’t match you change the scientific system. The partisan does not change his system. He becomes ideologically blind to those facts which contradict his partisan perspective. He deals with a partial reality, if that.

For example, if have repeatedly suggest you distinguish between the lawful protesters and the looters who need a healthy dose of law and order. No matter how many times I repeat it, your shtick is to lump the two together. I started out paying attention mostly to the protesters and agreed with them, but a bit in, following suggestions from Governor Cuomo and Rachel Maddow, I changed my system to reflect the difference in motivation and the proper response. On the other hand, you still haven’t.

Which reflects what can only be called a lie on your part. In advocating a law and order response to the looters, I am showing one place where I agree with you. But you do not listen even to agreement.

And, sure, the Boogaloo Bois (who do lean Marxist in my view or at least towards violence), and the racist violent police (which are not all the police) both need to be confronted verbally and if they break the law. The KKK of this incarnation, the Nazi and the protestors tend not to break the law, but more often are exercising their right to assemble and petition the government for redress of grievance. There is an old saying about not agreeing with a word they say, but defending the right to say it. It applies to the KKK and Nazi. (This says nothing of the KKK of earlier centuries, who were often into terrorist violence, not to mention the Nazi of the last century.)

Now only some of the police are into the terrorist violence.

I guess a scientific worldview and values has more complexity, generates more distinction. You act against lawbreakers with the law, and this includes towards racist violent police. You let the petitioners petition, and this might include the lawful elements of the KKK and Nazi who I do not agree with. If your partisan perspective does not allow you to see the difference, your theory goes haywire bonkers.

If you think it would increase the clarity, you are allowed to edit my post to lace it with all caps and obscenity. It is just not my style.