The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Eric the Green]

(07-12-2020, 06:02 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(07-11-2020, 10:43 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(07-11-2020, 10:16 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Well, if the current liberal trend continues, the liberals won't have cops to use as political pawns for them to make examples of in front of their base or blame or pick on as they please like they still kind of have available to them right now. Yes. if only the lowly blacks and other lowly folks only had better parents, better teachers, better leaders, better role models, better communities and a better overall environment like most other Americans they'd have a better chance at succeeding. living a better life and a better chance at survival. So, what are you going to do about them as their numbers continue to grow and your barriers begin to disappear and the bulk of us who can read the writing on wall are gone and living with us.

There's no constituency for violent crime. The model being introduced is community policing in which the police get to know a smaller area and know it better. It was introduced in Dallas around 1980 in areas with recent immigrants from southeast Asia accustomed to distrusting the police (Vietnamese police were corrupt and brutal). The cops set themselves up as the people who could be trusted. The police started talking with such community leaders as clergy and businessmen, and through them got the message out: if you have a problem with crime, then go to the cops. The people know who the bad guys are and get to choose between exposing those bad guys or being under their thumb. Crime rates plummeted. 

Suppression of crime is not only compatible with civil liberties; it is necessary for civil liberties including property rights. You tell me the last time you heard anyone say that he stands for the spouse-beater, the drug trafficker, the child molester, the rapist, the armed robber, and the arsonist. We have courts of laws and prisons to serve as the means of separating ourselves from people whose presence poses an obvious danger. 

Yes -- I called the cops on a drunk driver.

Are you sure that there isn't a constituency associated with criminal activities and violent crime these days? So, how many people associated with the black lives matter movement are associated with street gangs and other criminal groups? How many liberal Democrats are associated with groups that support open borders and illegal immigration these days? Back in the day, I'd defeat liberals by helping liberals box themselves into positions/ senseless arguments  they couldn't get of without hurting themselves or losing Democratic support.

Why would you assume that black lives matter movement people are associated with street gangs and such? Why deny that there is a problem with police shooting unarmed black people, and that this makes some people upset and want to change it?