The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Eric the Green]

(07-22-2020, 02:01 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(07-21-2020, 04:48 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(07-21-2020, 04:10 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(07-21-2020, 11:27 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(07-21-2020, 10:27 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: The keys are the virus and the economy and whether or not the liberals are going to allow their children to go to school or not because that's going to have a major impact too. Oh, and then there's the civil unrest that everyone witnessed that's still going on and defunding law enforcement shit that's going to factor as well. Biden is candidate because Biden was the only liberal candidate that the Southern black establishment trusted to keep the federal jobs, grants  and investment money flowing their way.

If we agree that the virus is key, and solving the virus key to restoring the economy, Biden has that one.  The folks advocating and implementing a Scientific approach are getting high approvals.  The happy talk folk advocating opening up while the virus is not under control are getting low approvals.  It is leaning landslide.  The usual 4T.

The schools?  Trump wants to kill kids for a few approval points.  It will just sink him deeper.  Reopening after the curves are way down is possible, but Trump as never been one for that.  How to lose the parent's vote?

The violence?  The protests seemed to be winding down a month after George Floyd's death, but Trump is reigniting the violence sending his unmarked agents into blue cities and provoking.  If the stakes were not so high I would kinda like to lock the unmarked agents and the Boogaloo Bois into somewhere where they could enjoy each other's violence.  As is, the unmarked guys are targeting Black Lives Matter and the Boogaloo Bois are targeting the community.  Not constructive.  Still, Trump is leaving a door wide open for a Biden promise to end the violence.  It would be easy enough.

So, how long is Biden going to allow the violence to continue until he uses his political connections to end the violence. Do you know what your problem is Bob, you've failed to convince me that you and the liberals above you who are in charge of the mess that we are seeing right now actually care about the lives of black people who are living with and dying from the violence. At least I'm open about it but then again I don't view their lives as my responsibility or the party that I support these days.

So, who is funding Antifa and who is coordinating their efforts and supplying them with all  the primate weapons these days? So, what is the American right supposed to do when it finds out that Democrats are in bed with those who are causing so much trouble for so during a national crisis for so many Americans and immigrants whose liberal ideology (live and let live) or religious beliefs or natural traits restricts them or prevents them from dealing with  violence/violent people.

Antifa is not causing violence. Trump is. I don't know what the American right can do about its fantasies.

There has been a spike in violent crime on some days in some places. Trump doesn't have the sense to deal with it. So we'll see what Biden can do, if anything. He is not in favor of defunding the police and allowing violent crime. Local authorities are primarily responsible for controlling crime, reforming police and improving social and economic conditions. I would like to see them get more proactive in this, and to get help from a new president and congress.

Is Trump trying to destroy the federal court in Seattle or Antifa? How liberal or stupid do you have to be to use that ploy or go for that ploy? You better get your shit straight and figure out a way to be smart because you're going to have to explain you're support of it to America or at least your candidate is going to have try to anyway because America is paying for it. So, did you support the Irish Catholic, the Marxist Jew and Latino or one of the two ex prosecutors/ex city/county bureaucrats or the gay or the black dude or the uppity liberal white woman with the high cheek bones that's I'm sure still represent something of value to some of the democratic population or Democratic electorate today.

Throwing a firecracker or writing graffiti does not destroy a building. Trump and his followers like you have the favorite tactic of using a slogan to apply to a whole group. So, prove to me that "antifa" threw that firework. Can you do that? Trump has provoked whoever did those things to start knocking down the door. But they can't destroy the building. But Trump can destroy our republic by deploying unidentified troops to pick peaceful protesters and bystanders off the street and put them in jail.

Martin Luther King Jr. would have been there with the protesters. My brother is a former Oregon official and lives in Portland so maybe he'll have some info on what's going on. Meanwhile, it would be wise for us all to go to this site and see the entire context of Dr. King's iconic final speech in Memphis, and remember what he said so powerfully, "The greatness of America is the right to protest FOR right!"
https://theundefeated.com/features/lets-...stice-too/

Somehow Classic Xer has forgotten what the TRUE greatness of America is.

There is audio posted here of longer excerpts from the speech. I'm not sure how to post an mp3 here. But King went there to support striking workers, many but not all black, and led a march there on March 28, 1968. Some looters and militants went off by themselves and started breaking windows. King was persuaded to turn the march around, because he did not want to be seen leading a violent march. 

But he vowed to come back and prove he could lead a non-violent march there. But the national guard was there the next day, and an injunction was ordered to prevent King's next march. His assistant Andrew Young went to court and got the injunction overturned on April 3, and King went to a large hall to rally his followers to join his planned march. In his speech, he recounted how he and his followers had won in Birmingham Alabama in spite of having dogs and water hoses turned on them by the sheriff, singing "we will not be turned around" and remaining non-violent. "We know water," he said, but "we will look above it and see the freedom in the air." Pete Townshend later echoed this iconic sixties phrase in his momentous song "Let's See Action," one of my favorites.

Two shorter parts from these same two excerpts of this final speech are heard in this youtube video. Ironically, an ad for Trump who is now taking away our right to protest comes on before Dr. King.





And you can hear longer audio clips of these two excerpts at the site linked above.

Nothing is Everything/Let's See Action by Peter Townshend



lyrics and audio here:
https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/petetown...thing.html