07-24-2020, 12:48 AM
(07-23-2020, 11:27 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:Bob, my mind isn't locked and I don't live in a state of denial either. We know longer trust or believe in each other. So, what else is new?(07-23-2020, 12:30 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I agree, both sides value life. Life is a common value that both side share. So, what all goes into life (peoples lives) these days? I assume that you and I have much different lives. Me, I own a business and I have a family to support which requires a lot of time and effort on my behalf. I'm out there working and interacting with people every day with the exception of typical slow times of the year and occasional opportunities to take a breather and catch up on paperwork or spend time doing this during patches of mild weather like now.
As a software guy, I had a small fixed group of team members that I had to interact with rather than clients which you deal with for a brief time then might not see again for quite a while. Quite different in a way. I got to know better a handful of people who were similar to me.
(07-23-2020, 12:30 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Our governor spent more time bouncing between his constituencies and pleasing his constituencies than he spent worrying about the impacts on the lives of working people and small business's and so forth. You know what, the more I get to know the Democrats, the more I can't stand the Democrats. To be honest, by the time we get out of this financial mess, we are going to be in debt up to our eye balls if not over our head. Bob, the writing is on the wall. The United States as we know it, is not coming out this crisis the way it is today. We both agree on that. If you're lucky, you'll be dead before the shit hits the fan. Now, you can stick with selling/playing liberal kumbaya, love and peace, live and let live and continue supporting liberal peacekeepers for Democratic presidents whose main purpose is to keep an old party that's half rotten together. Now, you may not be in the rotten half of the party. You too seem like a decent level headed person at times too. You worked for what you have and stashed away as much as you could to set yourself up for retirement which explains the reason why the economy doesn't seem to matter to you at this point. You may have flirted with Marxism but you didn't stick with Marxism and embraced the American way. I'll make you a deal. You keep the crazy liberal comments to yourself, I'll keep the comments about future violence to myself. One other thing relating to the violence that I speak of, it's not an empty threat, it's a real threat that at least wise enough to know where the border was between blue and red. I'm going to share some real life information with you, the looters and rioters stopped a few miles from my home because there was a heavily armed group of residents who were waiting for them. I had neighborhood duty. Like I said, I believe the American people are mainly ahead of the people running Washington, DC.
I agree that many politicians serve the elites rather than the people who elect them. I see the Republicans as being slightly worse that way, but both parties are in it.
I still do not recognize myself or the other blues I know in how you describe them. You persist in creating wild strawmen, the easier to not have to confront the real motives of your opposition and keep your imaginings alive. To the extent that you keep preaching bogus information, I will likely enough keep countering it.
Armed neighborhood watches are a good supplement to the racist violent police who are more interested in going after protestors than enforcing the law. I would clearly prefer that vigilante justice were not necessary, that the police would do their jobs, but as long as they keep the racist violent approach to the community, the vigilante groups will be necessary.
The old unraveling approach took the benefits of increased production efficiency, steered to much of the profits into a huge wealth difference between the elites and the working people, froze the length of the work week and retirement age, minimized things like benefits and labor unions which attempted to steer wages towards the working man, minimized domestic spending aimed at helping the working man and focused on the manufacture of luxuries. I would think all this will have to be rethought. The elitism and racism of the Republican Party does not make me think they are likely to be the ones to do the rethinking.
Your mind set is locked into denying this, that the Democrats are the ones who are closer to the working man than the elites. As a result, you create bogus Democratic motivations which as a blue leaning guy I do not recognize. They do not represent what I really perceive and value. Repeatedly pointing this out seems to not effect you. I am persistent too, though.