The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Classic-Xer]

(07-24-2020, 01:04 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(07-23-2020, 04:49 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(07-23-2020, 03:44 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(07-23-2020, 09:44 AM)David Horn Wrote: First, the mayor and governor let noisy dogs bark.  The citizens of Portland seem OK with that, so why is it Trump's business how loud they get?  Oh yeah, there's an election coming, his numbers are in the tank, and he needs fear-mongering because it's all he's got.  Next he'll try Chicago and Kansas City because they are being overrun by guns (I wonder why that is   ). 

It's all street theater with real lives at stake -- not his, of course. Cadet Bone Spurs knows how to avoid a fight where he has to actually, you know, participate!

The mayor and governor let noisy dogs bark, mark and claim  territory, wreck/destroy peoples property, threaten and kill  people too. It would be nice if they were just dogs. Unfortunately, the dogs are humans with rights and legal protections who know the legal  restrictions pertaining to law  enforcement. I met one at a Bush rally. Can you imagine, a Liberal kid from some place with no sense of respect or values of his own  feeling free to pick on and intimidate    an elderly woman who happened to be a retired nurse about your age  and    my mother.   Yes, I'm familiar with the shit that Liberal culture produces and sends to Democratic cities/strong holds  to aggravate American culture. Hint: They didn't have a political identity back then. I assume Liberal culture is buying into its own hype and making believers of themselves too. I keep telling you that Liberal culture is pretty much on it's own at this point.

According to the locals, including the authorities among others, The protests were relatively small, noisy and peaceful.  It only got bad once the stormtroopers arrived and start acting the part. As far as your hurt feelings, understand that the protests are a faint shadow of the bad things that have happened to Black and Native American people in the past and present. If it made you uncomfortable, then that was the purpose.  No one, including your retired nurse, has special agency to float above the crowd.  On the other hand, some few individuals have gotten WAY out of hand, but the only protestor who has killed anyone is the guy in Charlottesville who ran down counter protestors with his car, and he's a skinhead.

We have never seen this sort of behavior by federal law enforcement before. It has typically been state and local police that have misbehaved.  Federal law enforcement has typically enforced federal law on federal property, investigated crimes committed by and against federal employees (including members of the Armed Services) in the performance of their duties; using the mail or interstate commerce (I would guess that lots of people in a federal penitentiary are there for mail fraud, bank fraud, or wire fraud because many fraudulent activities involve the use of the mail, the 'wires', or the banks -- with the consent of telecommunications companies and the financial institutions to such laws because fraudulent activities are bad business for them); violation of federal regulations in industry; and of course being a criminal fugitive especially if interstate flight to avoid prosecution. If you ever remember the TV show The FBI you will remember that the typical Bad Guy was charged with serious offenses typically against state law and "interstate flight to avoid prosecution". The latter offense is the pretext for FBI pursuit, and the FBI usually drops that charge once the perpetrator is delivered to the state in which he committed a more serious crime such as murder, rape, arson, kidnapping, or armed robbery. 

Law enforcement by federal authorities has been limited on the assumption that states themselves can adequately determine what the crimes are and try and punish offenders. Most of us know the rules. Offending the sensibilities of the President is not a crime, as the First Amendment clearly shows... although this President acts as a blatant exception.  Mark my words: something is going to go terribly wrong with a serious injury or a death as the result of some unconstitutional exercise of force, and such an incident will potentially go to the US Supreme Court. 

A hint on the judgment: Chief Justice Roberts always lets precedent decide a case.           

Classic-Xer Wrote:I listened to a real liberal (an American lefty who happened to be a black middle aged woman ) associated with the Black Lives Matter movement in Las Vegas. As old Biden would say, she seemed decent, articulate and appealing to main stream middle Americans like me which must have been rare for Democratic black people back  in 08'. She seemed pretty level headed or down home as we say  and she  seemed like an straight shooter too. According to her, Congress has a very narrow window of opportunity to get something decent (practical and mutually beneficial) passed before something mind blowing occurs and window is closed for along time. Do you know what I think, I think she knows that I'm right about America because she's hearing what we (real Americans) are saying and she knows we aren't bluffing or posting empty threats and or showing any signs of clinging to or sticking with old  laurels associated with the past. To be blunt, the politicians are spending trillions of billionaire and millionaire and American business dollars of those  who do not exist and a zillion dollar economy that doesn't exist either.

I suspect she was warning folks like you that THEIR patience was running out, and rioting can be the result.  Note: she isn't going to riot, but young hotheads certainly might.  This all started in 1619.  After 400 years of waiting for fair treatment, expecting even more patience is unrealistic.

Americans generally accept that Donald Trump has no chance of winning honestly in November and will thus be rendered irrelevant. I almost expect a Constitutional Amendment delineating the official powers of federal law enforcement to areas and situations in which federal law enforcement have been accepted in the past -- the military, Indian Reservations, interstate commerce, federal regulations, federal employees doing their work, and federal property. Trump has chosen to establish an irresponsible federal police to enforce his political will. That has been done in many countries of a wide variety of governmental forms, and such has never worked out well. 

Even in America, if in only one State, Mississippi, with its own equivalent of the Gestapo or KGB in its "State Sovereignty Commission" intended to frustrate opposition to the official policy of segregation with the resulting degradation of the lives of black people within the state, it has gone badly. 

Donald Trump acts as if he needs despotic power to achieve his ends and serve those that he deluded with his slogan "Make America Great Again".No President before Trump has ever had such power. Such power kills democracy or its chance of emergence.
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If the Democrats were honest, Biden would be honest about himself and bow out now and let America get to see who the DNC and the elite picked for our next President and Vice President. You do know that Biden is just a shoe in candidate.

Dude, every time you express your fears and concerns about fascism or old local clan like behavior associated with Medieval times or give me a moral sermon or history lesson and voice you discontent with me about supporting elites and going along with the elites and making them richer and so forth. I can see everything that you're talking about clearly and even try to point it out to you and agree with you 100% by not going along with them and by sticking with the side that clearly represents American advancement, American business, American culture, traditional American values and  the American Constitution today. Dude, even the American mafia knows how to continue doing business without bothering or upsetting the Americans who own guns and American legal authorities who carry guns in America today.