The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Eric the Green]

(08-09-2020, 01:49 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(08-09-2020, 12:55 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-08-2020, 09:19 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: .....
We have a President scatter-brained enough to think that he could get away with a conspiracy to murder American democracy.

You do realize that Trump was elected. The day the Democratic party decided that it was a good idea to tie votes to government benefits and advancements and wealth is the day democracy died for you and everyone one on your side. I hope your ready for the advent of natural law because that's what's going to decide who ends up under what system down the road...

Trump got a smaller share of the vote (45.93%) in 2016 than did...

Romney (47.15% in 2012)
Kerry (48.26% in 2004)
Ford (48.01% in 1976)  
Nixon (49.55% in 1960)


and not much better than McCain (45.60%) in 2008, Dukakis (45.65%) in 1988, or Dewey (45.89%) in 1944 -- all of whom lost in elections in which their opponent won 365 or more electoral votes.

Try to convince me that the election of Donald Trump wasn't a freak. 

...by the way -- if you wonder who gets the benefits, then it is white people who collect the vast majority of welfare, and that it is Appalachia, the Ozarks,  and the Deep South that have so many poor people eligible for welfare and disability benefits. Many such people are terribly under-educated... and poor, under-educated white people vote heavily for Trump.

Good point. People like Classic, who have "grown up" and lost the spirit, are sold on this ideology that panders to insecure people. "Natural law" is the clue here. That's the dog eat dog philosophy, laissez faire and the devil take the hindmost. It doesn't work out. Only the greediest survive. The philosophy is: "it's a jungle out there, so survival of the fittest." Social Darwinism. It does not work, because people are not animals. Humans have too much power to do harm and so they step out of the ecological balance. The predators are not restrained.

It's just that Democrats, whether rich, middle class or poor, realize that "government benefits and advancements" are worth paying taxes for, because that is the force that brings back some ecological balance into the human civilization. It is actually MORE natural, and that's why "socialism" in some form has always existed. Welfare benefits us all in case the bosses screw up our lives or ruin the economy, as they are prone to do. Classic Xer even understands this at times, but still resents it if it's carried what he considers too far. He opposes giving benefits to races and other such groups who have been disadvantaged. It's a question of how far to take it. We don't want a state-run economy, for example; that would be taking it too far in our country.