The Partisan Divide on Issues

[pbrower2a]

(08-09-2020, 02:14 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-09-2020, 01:49 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(08-09-2020, 12:55 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-08-2020, 09:19 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: I really hate to bring up the infamous forgery that asserted that a small group of people has a conspiracy with which to dominate the world. Truth be told, if you want to achieve something, including economic gain, then don't rely upon a conspiracy to make it work. People who really get things done with excellence, people who run circles around us all without exploiting and degrading us are more likely to be described in Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers. To do extraordinary achievements in fields as disparate as painting, acting, sports, writing, music (composition or performance) or engineering one needs about ten thousand hours of early preparation before one reaches the necessary level of sublimity. The vast majority of people either get directed to something more banal out of economic necessity or don't get the chance. Can you imagine many parents allowing their kids to put four hours a day on a violin playing repetitive exercises? Few could tolerate that.  

10,000 hours is about the time it takes to become an attorney or physician or get a PhD. There is no cheap way around it these days. The high-achieving dilettante  is no more in a time in which practically everything not at a modest level of skill is banality. Maybe a machine paces the production or the clock paces driving a truck. It is noteworthy also for what one does not do. Musicians in first-tier orchestras are infamously immature at dating. That's 10,000 hours for you.

Conspiracies are comparatively easy to form. Even if they are devious they are usually scatter-brained efforts to do what others can't do, like deal drugs, pull off a terrorist act, or arrange a murder for hire.  Or perhaps a bungled coup in some unfortunate countries. But their scatter-brained character makes them easy to pursue after they do something horrible.

We have a President scatter-brained enough to think that he could get away with a conspiracy to murder American democracy.

You do realize that Trump was elected. The day the Democratic party decided that it was a good idea to tie votes to government benefits and advancements and wealth is the day democracy died for you and everyone one on your side. I hope your ready for the advent of natural law because that's what's going to decide who ends up under what system down the road. Dude, if a baby doesn't matter them. What the fuck makes you think that you matter them. So, have fun living in hell before you die.

Trump got a smaller share of the vote (45.93%) in 2016 than did...

Romney (47.15% in 2012)
Kerry (48.26% in 2004)
Ford (48.01% in 1976)  
Nixon (49.55% in 1960)


and not much better than McCain (45.60%) in 2008, Dukakis (45.65%) in 198, or Dewey (45.89%) in 1944 -- all of whom lost in elections in which their opponent won 365 or more electoral votes.

Try to convince me that the election of Donald Trump wasn't a freak. 

...by the way -- if you wonder who gets the benefits, then it is white people who collect the vast majority of welfare, and that it is Appalachia, the Ozarks,  and the Deep South that have so many poor people eligible for welfare and disability benefits. Many such people are terribly under-educated... and poor, under-educated white people vote heavily for Trump.

Yes, Trump's election was a modern day miracle of sorts but I wasn't completely surprised by the outcome. You must think that we live in a country like France or Germany where democracy alone determines it's national leaders and priorities.  Guess what, we don't live in a country that's set up like either of them. Here's what we are going do eventually, we are eventually going to boot a blue state or two or some blue cities from the American union and see what happens to them. You think that's  funny or impossible just wait a few more years when the economic fallout and the issues start really heating up. I've heard that Detroit has a strong police force that has the authority to deal with shit that Minneapolis doesn't have today. I guess Detroit ain't that liberal after all or at least that's what the police chief seems to be telling us.

Howe-Strauss theory suggests that we are much closer to the end of the Crisis of 2020 than to the beginning  I do not know how it is possible to expel a State from the Union except by selling it to another country or ceding it to another country as the result of a post-war settlement of the sort of Germany being shorn of Stettin (now Szczecin) and all territories east of the Oder-Neisse line. 

Such economic failure as we have is the result of a speculative boom doing what it invariably does (going bust) and now the catastrophic botch job that our President has done on COVID-19. Nearly one sixth of a million people have died, and that typically follows expensive, heroic treatment that costs state and local governments dearly. People hospitalized who recover do so at great expense. 

Quote:You've already dug a hole to deep to crawl out of with your own stupidity. I'm not guilty of you being born with a mental disorder that affects your judgement or guilty of preventing you from voting even though you shouldn't be voting for many reasons. You know what's good for you and know what day it is  and so forth and I suppose that's good enough to retain your right to vote. Do you know how many arrogant government workers who think/thought they're all that that I reminded or taught to check their liberal attitude while in the presence of a US Taxpayer who has the right to vote to defund/fire every fucking one of them. Dude, if OK to fire police forces because a white cop fucked up then its ok to fire Democratic voters/politician who fuck too. I don't know who taught you and every other blue fool that America is a one way street but you are going to learn that America is a two way street with equal rules that can be applied so get ready for Democrat's to learn what its like to be an American worker these days and know how it feels to loose a cozy blue government job and all the benefits associated with it.  We've seen your liberal government dude and when we decide to get rid of your government there isn't a thing that you and the other liberals here are going to be able to do about it or stop it from occurring.

It is Asperger's syndrome. Of all the pathological conditions in the DMS-V I would rather have it than anything else, including addictive behavior, a delusional mind, ADHD, sociopathy, psychopathy, borderline personality, mental retardation or the pathological narcissism that the President has. 

  WebMD is a good source for a layman on much involving physical and mental health.

Disagreement with you is neither delusion not stupidity. William Shockley was a brilliant inventor, but I certainly wouldn't agree with him on "race". 

Quote:I know the majority on welfare recipients are white people like you and others here but that doesn't seem to matter to Eric who seems to think that I think welfare is only distributed to a bunch of minorities and calls me a racist for opposing more of it and expansions of it to include white people like him (deadbeats) and funding more social workers to address problems with people that only God or a miracle or a major advancement in DNA related science can fix.

Technically it is disability, and part of my problem is that I was around people (my parents) who could warn me when I was headed off the deep end -- and both are now deceased. There is nobody intimate to any extent with me whom I can trust to keep me on the right track, and my parents were intelligent enough to detect any such tendency. I need a network, and networks are difficult to find in rural areas.     

Quote:Like I said, the day a group of Democrats decided that it was a good idea to buy votes with our tax dollar was the day democracy died for you and every other worthless fool who deserves to live/ die under a ruthless liberal dictator like Hitler. Personally, I don't really care if Hitler executes you as a means to control costs or enslaves blacks or illegal aliens as a means to increase profit. Eric talks about relying on cheap Mexicans/ immigrants  to fix stuff as he's speaking to a highly skilled  American tradesman who owns an American business and then tells me that he's entitled to a portion of it's profit. You want to know what I do with Eric, I'd put a gun to his head and ask him where he got that stupid liberal idea from and pull the trigger. Like I said, the Democrats better wise up and start changing their attitudes before killing Democrats is legal again. Dude, my views of the Confederates would have been the same as yours during the American Civil War. I hear a lot about a social contract relating to the Democrats that I don't remember signing.

Conservatives at the least recognize welfare good for keeping people who might otherwise become hungry and restless from revolting, especially if such people neatly fit the category of the "reserve army of the unemployed" necessary for a ramp-up in production in time of a cataclysmic war or to take seasonal work necessary for making the economy work. 

Taxes are a price that we pay for a civilized society -- for roads that get us to our work, that get us non-local foodstuffs, and bring you your electronic gadgets, furniture, major appliances, etc. Taxes are a price to pay for the courts that might aid you in collecting a debt from someone who stiffs you. Taxes are necessary for the cops who bust someone who would rob you while you await a Twins game and put that person in prison for an extended stay. Taxes pay for needed K-12 education that teaches people how to read so that they don't confuse bleach with the flour in your pie crust or birthday cake and so that your subordinates can read instruction manuals and do simple calculations. Taxes give us good sewers that keep us from getting deathly ill from such diseases as cholera that used to kill in big numbers. 
 

Quote:So, why does the Democratic party have it's own version of our electoral college built in to its electoral process. Is that a sign of progress to you or a sign of a country run by a political party with a popular that isn't up to par with the rest of the United States in terms of education and so forth? The Liberals can say what they want about the Americans who don't vote for them or support what they want who spend the bulk of their time praising each other and telling each other how smart and how great they are and so forth when the other side knows better and knows its smarter and knows that they're literally on borrowed time at this moment.

In the 1950's, Dwight Eisenhower won college-educated by a wide margin. In 2008 and 2012, Obama did much the same. Smart people can do very dumb things, but in big numbers they are generally right. When the President tells us that he loves low-information voters, he tells us that he can appeal more effectively to ignorant and stupid people. He clearly shows no desire to relieve people of their ignorance.  Looking out for others is not his game. Flawed as I am as a person, I recognize Donald Trump as a horrible person who has made connections with underworld figures, left behind a series of business failures, payed off prostitutes, and demeaned women and minorities. 

Good people don't prejudge legal cases with calls for sentences before judgment is passed in a court of law, let alone call for a sentence more severe than is prescribed in statute. Good people do not say that they could shoot someone on  Fifth Avenue and still have respectability. Good people do not talk about grabbing women by their "kitty-cats". Back to Ike... a soldier who grabbed a woman or girl by her "kitty-cat" without her consent or assumed consent would face a court martial.  

   

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I do not need unmerited praise from others. That is the worst thing that I could get.  Even if I deserve praise for something that I did I must go on to something else. The thrill of victory or praise for accomplishment gets very stale very fast.  As for borrowed time... in the long run we are all dead, anyway, says John Maynard Keynes.