The Partisan Divide on Issues

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(08-14-2020, 08:15 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: The old time Lincoln Republicans as well as being the party of the abolitionists were for industrial development, the climax of the industrial revolution.  At that time the were the progressives.  They were against the agriculture landowners of the south, against the slaveowners thus against the old culture.  I would have been with the Republicans had I lived then.  They wanted to move forward but the south was holding them back.  Development would mean more free states, threaten the slave economy, thus there was a big conflict between Agricultural Age and Industrial Age thinking.  

They soon became the robber barons and opposed the workers.  As Jim Crow went in, the Republicans stopped thinking race an important issue.  I am not a fan of the Republicans as they were in the Gilded Age.  For much of the Gilded Age, both parties had progressive and conservative wings.  They were loyal to their civil war heritages more than the progressive vs conservative relatively 'unimportant' issue.

That is one place where the Republicans have been consistent.  They have always had a robber baron - elite stance.  They have varied on race and varied on isolationism, but they have stayed with their wall street and corporation loyalty.  Well, almost always.  The Tea Party began to dislike the Republican Establishment and tried to shake off loyalty to the elites, but ended up giving their loyalty to the biggest alligator in the swamp.  They took a big step back.

I could sympathize with the conservatives if they made a point of getting rid of their elitist and racist tendency.  Trump exemplifies both.  You haven't often advocated either.  I can hope they get rid of the elitist, racist and Trump factions and become an honorable opposition someday.

But to a great degree today's GOP is not what it was in Lincoln's time, nor are the Democrats.  Much has changed.  I know this should require you to learn a little of the history, but Lincoln's and Trump's time were quite different.

Dude, I'm not the one using a progressive view of history as a guide and predicting the progressive side will win again despite the obvious differences and advancements associated with today. How many racist and bigoted minorities and whites do you have left on your side these days? You're VP wasn't picked on the basis of her merits or the content of her character. She was picked strictly on the basis of her skin color. I noticed that you haven't stopped using racism either and as long as you want to continue playing with fire we are going to make sure that white imbeciles and moron like you who see value in using it are the ones more likely to be burned than us.