08-17-2020, 12:41 AM
(08-16-2020, 02:21 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:(08-16-2020, 01:22 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(08-16-2020, 11:52 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Is one age group more precious than another? Is an arsonist who sets a house fire that causes smoke inhalation that wouldn't kill someone else but kills someone with emphysema still a murderer? Ordinarily, respiratory infections rarely kill people in advanced industrial societies or people of privilege in others unless someone is already in danger of death from something else (pneumonia is often the definitive killer of people with cancer, congestive heart failure, senile dementia, or cirrhosis of the liver) -- but SARS-2 breaks that rule as COVID-19.
Sure, I am in a bubble -- one that readily detects propaganda, animus, superstition, and pseudoscience and finds it easy to reject.
Mirror-image Marxists like you are the people most likely to be swept into the dustbin of history.
I don't know Precious, you tell me, is one group "primarily your older group of Liberal voters" viewed as more precious by the other American groups these days. Keep in mind, we aren't your mass media elites and one their main employees or one of your politicians or some bureaucrat who is somehow or another related to one your politicians or one of their family members or on of your internet junkies or your imbeciles on Facebook, YouTube and Twitter or the ones who care about who wins the Oscars or which movie wins Best Picture and so forth. In short, I hope your governor has made the necessary adjustments for living in a world with COVID19 while she was busy self promoting showing off and strutting her stuff for the owners of the Democratic big leagues (DNC). Dude, you are so ignorant it's unbelievable. All I can do is tell you that I'm sorry about whatever happens to you in advance.
Some governors are supporting isolation by the numbers, the science, valuing lives over dollars, and are primarily but not exclusively Democratic. Cuomo of New York seems to be the loudest amount them. These are fairly popular. Less popular are those who are following Trump’s happy talk approach.
The ones who follow Trump risk being hated for the results. Eventually they will face the electorate, and they may face some losses that nobody could foresee before 2020.
Quote:This difference in popularity reflects the values of more Americans. Most value lives over dollars. This is not true of all. Many of the elite have enough money to isolate and don’t care about those who do not.
People had better put lives over money! In a state with capital punishment, armed robberies that culminate in murder are the most effective ways in which to go to the death chamber. In civil cases, wrongful death cases lead to monster settlements. I have no problem with that priority.
Quote:That is why I am not worried too much about violence. The rural militias have always accepted election results, even when the first black president was elected. Seeing Trump make a mockery of their values, they want to get rid of him and his enablers in the senate. They may regret that this puts someone blue in charge, but they will do what they have to do to save lives.
Even the most reactionary people in rural areas typically know someone who can talk them out of violence. Rural America is generally not tolerant of violence, although there are racist compounds such as Elohim City, Oklahoma in which violent, racist cults flourish. Add to this, Donald Trump is practically the stereotype of an obnoxious city-slicker. Trump got away with his shtick in 2016, but he won't get away with it in 2020.
Quote:I could respect a conservative opposition if they could get rid of any elitist or racist taint. It may happen in the near future, or it may not. The Tea Party was beginning to reject the elitist tendencies, but latched on to the biggest alligator in the swamp. I hope the Republican base gets enamored of someone who is against both the elitist and racist tendency. I am a little confused that you do not agree, that you are enamored still with the elitist and racist Trump.
I expect any conservative Republican to go back quickly to a firm assertion of the primacy of capital over all else. Trump succeeded in part by his ostensible expressions of disdain for elites by showing extreme vulgarity. I expect the same agenda of tax cuts, regulatory relief, privatization, and dismantling of labor unions. Such conservatives may seek to win over members of minority groups who have seen Trump as a potential menace as well as a cultural insult.
Quote:I see a big struggle coming after the election to pick up the conservative vote. Neither the racists nor the elites are going away lightly, but both factions have been badly discredited by Trump. Can something honorable come out on top? Not my fight, but I will be watching.
It is obviously too early to tell. Maybe they will recognize that wars for profit may easily to the destruction of their assets and that racism is incompatible with a desire to attract successful non-WASP types on such issues as restraining government, cutting taxes, and relaxing regulation.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.