The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Eric the Green]

(08-17-2020, 02:38 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-17-2020, 01:14 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(08-17-2020, 12:52 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Bob, the vast majority (98-99%) are going to survive the COVID19 crisis. It's silly at this point and it's going to be quite costly for the Democratic states that are still playing games with peoples lives and causing more harm than good at this point. The Democratic consensus seems to be buckle down, hurt Trump as much as they can and force their people to put their lives on hold and wait for a cure. Well, that's fine for Democratic controlled areas but that's not going to fly with the Republican run areas.

What happens is that in order to prevent the hospitals from collapsing, even the happy talk governors have to give in to the people and isolate.  Happy talk kills a bunch of people keeps the economy shut down for an extended period.

(08-17-2020, 12:52 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I see violence on your side. I see racism on your side today. I see elitism on your side today. I see narcissism on your side and way more lying on your side today. Unlike you, I do watch some of your channels. The Republicans aren't saints but they're not nearly as bad or out of touch with reality. I think its pretty clear that red and blue values no longer match which isn't good for countries because values have to match or countries split apart.

Or a 4T comes along and the old values go kaput.  I can point out several cases of the old values collapsing in recent S&H crisis.  

It is harder to find countries splitting apart.  Germany was split by external force.  The Middle East was partitioned by the West in the colonial era, and are reverting to their old tribal or religious borders.  Can you give me an example of a nation with distinctly different values splitting?  

Try Great Britain.  They may be splitting apart, but it is along regional boundaries that reflect separate kingdoms once upon a time and still have governments which hold a trace of independence.   I suppose we have states which fragments it even more, but we seem to change to the new values and move on rather than let the old values fester.

Bob, a significant portion of the Democratic party has no values where as the Republican side has values. People who share our values don't let gangs/mobs wreak havoc and destroy property and let their show hosts insult half the nation on a daily basis. I keep telling you to knock it off because the whole race thing and people not giving a shit about you people is going to eventually blow up in your faces. We don't give a shit about the Liberals Bob and I doubt the minorities give a shit about you either. I guess you and every other white liberal are kind of *bad word*. It must suck being associated with a race that doesn't refer to each other as brothers and sisters unless directly related or we highly respect one another.

The show hosts are showing great command of values by contrasting them with the no-values Trump. He deserves as much lampooning as can be made, and it's a great meal ticket for them because he supplies so much material. I mean Classic, this is pure capitalism. The late night comics and show hosts are just capitalizing on what is being so abundantly provided for them. If you guys can't stand the humor, take your guy out of the big white house! Someone more boring and less uncouth, but just as evil, such as Tom Cotton, may not provide as much fuel for the comics next time.

I don't think anyone is letting people wreak havoc. That may happen here and there, but it's not because Democrats let it happen. It just your slogan, so you keep using it.

Giving a shit about racial equality and proper treatment of people regardless of race is part of real Democrats' and progressives' DNA. You can't expect them not to be interested in it. 

I guess there is some grounds for concern about single-issue SJWs, and I imagine the pressure will be on in 2024 to support Harris for president even though she is a weak candidate, and even though it may so happen that a white guy will be better that time around. A black guy was better in 2008, and so to decide who is best only on grounds of race will be counterproductive for Democrats. 

Classic charges that the Democrats are racists because they think race is an issue. There might be a grain of truth in his statement, if those who prefer a white guy over a black woman for president in 2024 are labelled racist. In 2024 I will prefer the white guy, because Harris has a 4-16 horoscope score (as opposed for example to Obama's 19-2 or Landrieu's 16-2) and I would have to predict a loss if she were nominated. She demonstrated her score by how thoroughly her solo campaign failed. She did not wear well as a speaker, and her audiences dwindled.

Racial justice is not the only issue the people face, but some Democrats might be reversely racist to the extent that they charge that we must support non-whites most of the time regardless of qualification or candidate viability. That does not mean that Democrats should not make every effort to see that more non-whites (and women) are given more political and economic power and allowed to gain more wealth in the USA, given the huge gap that still exists in these fields between white and black.