The Partisan Divide on Issues

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(08-17-2020, 06:39 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(08-17-2020, 02:38 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Bob, a significant portion of the Democratic party has no values where as the Republican side has values. People who share our values don't let gangs/mobs wreak havoc and destroy property and let their show hosts insult half the nation on a daily basis. I keep telling you to knock it off because the whole race thing and people not giving a shit about you people is going to eventually blow up in your faces. We don't give a shut about the Liberal's Bob and I doubt the minorities give a shit about you either. I guess you and every other white liberal are kind of *bad word*. It must suck being associated with a race that doesn't refer to each other as brothers and sisters unless directly related or we highly respect one another.

Can’t find a better example?  Changing the subject again when your prior argument goes nowhere?

On the streets, many groups have many motives.  We have the the secret police, the racist violent police, the police, Black Lives Matter, the Boogaloo Bois, and the looters.  You seem to be confused as to their motives, and certainly scramble their motives around.  You can pretend the KKK, Neo nazi and Antifa matter, but those are pre trigger.  They have essentially disappeared since black lives matter took off.  I am almost tempted to put the secret police into the don’t exist anymore category too.  Trump was into his instigate violence behavior for a while, but that backfired into making his campaign crash harder.  He hasn’t been trying to instigate violence lately.

Better response than I had! When all is said and done, I can just imagine what the people in Black Lives Matter would do if they saw street crime. They would call the police! I certainly hope that the "Trump-Trump Macoutes" are largely in the past. Maybe our next Constitutional Amendment will be one precluding a secret police. Trump has made that necessary by forming his own even if failing to give it a name. We never needed such an amendment to our Constitution, but Trump has shown us the need for such.

Quote:You claim there are vigilantes like you, but I have heard no reports of them.  They are not a factor, nor are the rural militias a factor.

Nothing.  Nada.  No shows.  With your obsession with violence you try to make us believe your daydreams are real, but they are just daydreams for the moment.  The are one ideologue’s empty whim.

Those rural militias would wilt if they had to appear in the "Dark Side of Town" because they can't figure out who the Good Guys and Bad Guys are unless it is the simplistic "dark skins bad, pale skins good". A community organizer who has very good intentions, like Barack Obama, knows enough to listen to find out who the pimps and pushers are and how to avoid them.  People are like dogs in that it is easy to turn the most docile person or dog into a ferocious enemy by doing something incredibly stupid. Human stupidity is far more commonplace than is comfortable for me. 

Quote:I would worry about the groups that are actually there.

Now all of these groups, at least those that still exist, have world views and values.  Your instance that people exist with no values show you don’t know people.  People have values.  They may vary a lot, and do.  Some are well thought out, some are not.  They still have values.

The Boogaloo Boys and the looters do exist.  I think the police can handle them.  But they are in the minority.  They are not a real threat.

Not only the cops -- but also the legal and penal system. Video images are damning. When it comes to looters, news cameramen from channels 4, 5, 9, and 11 as well as the TV networks and cable news channels have supplied much footage. News media gladly give prosecutors evidence and get stories in return when those are newsworthy. This isn't 1967 in Detroit anymore; video cameras are everywhere, and nobody has any privacy rights when committing a crime. The best defense from a camera is to be boring. Most of us, I included, are crashing bores once we set foot into a big box store. 

Quote:There are far more Democrats, believing in democracy, human rights and equality.  Those are one set of traditional American values.  They are hardly the only values, but the dominant ones which matter.  They are in opposition to the elites and racists which are traditionally associated with the conservatives.  The conservatives seem to have a choice to make whether to go down with the elites and racists.  You seem to have made your choice.  I think it is the wrong one.  We will see what the bulk of the conservatives choose.  I don’t see it particularly as my fight.

But I suspect most conservatives will be wiser than you.

The conservatives who arise in the 2030's will have nothing to do with the flagrant superstition, demagoguery, divisiveness, and flamboyance of the contemporary Right. A 1T is the wrong time for such... and the only flamboyance will be in the entertainment business.