The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Eric the Green]

(08-18-2020, 01:03 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-17-2020, 11:00 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: That is the only "American value" that you uphold, and it is the most outdated. It has not the slightest relationship to our freedom. The Second Amendment should be repealed. Then we might have some sensible gun regulation. Some will still be able to keep some of their guns. But, it won't happen in our time. Meanwhile, we should remember that millions of young people came out to support the kids in Parkland FL whose friends were murdered by your gun values. Some regulations can be passed soon, and probably will be under Democratic rule, if it happens. No doubt your side will be "up in arms" about it. It will be your side that initiates conflict under Joe Biden, and your side that gets crushed under him. Under Tom Cotton after 2024, your side will be able to crush our secessions. It will be your side that decides whether to let us go. Then we'll have our civil war, or not; it appears.

But just like some observers of the generations and turnings cycle say that the civil war saeculum lasted until at least 1868, so the Left will likely come back again in 2028 and take charge again under a true leader. It will seem like an extended 4T. Neptune will still be in warlike and activist Aries, as it was then. Mikebert and I may still be discussing whether the 4T has ended, and many of us will contribute to that new thread. Somehow if the rump trump USA becomes sane again, it will be reunited with the blue tides. These dangerous times are not so far ahead. Already this forum has lasted for 23 years. It seems like yesterday to me.

As I've told you many times, I value all of our Constitutional rights (yours included). As far as the Second Amendment and our staunch defense of it, it's the one that the Left has been trying to remove/eliminate/take away from Americans for many years. I would be interested to see if Biden or Harris took/take their Constitutional oaths seriously or not and attempt to break a social contract that has withstood the tests of time and has remained in place for 244 years. Dude, I think your crazy/nuts to place your rights in the hands of a government that you gave the power to remove as it pleases myself. It sounds silly myself but most of what you say and want to see happen sounds silly.

I have to say, I have been watching the Democrats mainly talking to heir own supporters this evening. I must say, if I was a Progressive/Democrat, I would be depressed after watching and listening to them and preparing to jump off a bridge or revolt if Trump wins.

It seems to me that you value cop oppression of unarmed black people more than you do our right to walk down the street without getting killed for being "suspicious," according to how you come down on what you are upset about, and your support for a fake president who wants to take away our right to vote. It seems to me you value guns as the most basic right, and perhaps the only one, because you don't trust anyone but yourself to defend yourself, or because you plan to take part in a militia that, perhaps provoked by something, will want to impose a cult leader on us as dictator for life. 

Dude, the second amendment was outdated practically from the time it was put on paper. It remains only because it appeals to macho symbolism and because of the power of the rural and southern states in our constitution. I don't care about gun rights. But those who believe in them should be willing to accept regulations on their use and possession, or would you have there be no regulations on driving either? And no libel laws? Or perhaps you want "freedom" for a religion whose leaders molest children? I know your side wants "freedom" for religions to discriminate against gays.

If Trump wins, it will indeed be a time to consider jumping off some bridges, or at least burn a few bridges behind us and revolt in some way. That's how serious it is that folks like yourself have been swept up in this cult and can't see the threat that Crump poses to our republic and all of our lives.

And is there nothing sacred? Trump wants to put himself up on Mt. Rushmore too!